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    THIS IS A HUGE DISCOVERY GUYS!


    Vanished Persian army said found in desert

    50,000 soldiers believed buried by a cataclysmic sandstorm in 525 B.C.




    Hundreds of bleached bones and skulls found in the desolate wilderness of the Sahara desert may be the remains of the long lost Cambyses' army, according to Italian researchers.


    The remains of a mighty Persian army said to have drowned in the sands of the western Egyptian desert 2,500 years ago might have been finally located, solving one of archaeology's biggest outstanding mysteries, according to Italian archaeologists.
    Bronze weapons, a silver bracelet, an earring and hundreds of human bones found in the vast desolate wilderness of the Sahara desert have raised hopes of finally finding the lost army — 50,000 strong — of Persian King Cambyses II, buried by a cataclysmic sandstorm in 525 B.C."We have found the first archaeological evidence of a story reported by the Greek historian Herodotus," Dario Del Bufalo, a member of the expedition from the University of Lecce, told Discovery News.
    According to Herodotus (484-425 B.C.), Cambyses, the son of Cyrus the Great, sent 50,000 soldiers from Thebes to attack the Oasis of Siwa and destroy the oracle at the Temple of Amun. Alexander the Great had famously sought legitimization of his rule from the oracle of Amun in 332 B.C., but according to legend, the oracle would have predicted the death of Cambyses.
    After walking for seven days in the desert, the army got to an "oasis," which historians believe was El-Kharga. After they left, they were never seen again. "A wind arose from the south, strong and deadly, bringing with it vast columns of whirling sand, which entirely covered up the troops and caused them wholly to disappear," wrote Herodotus.
    As no trace of the hapless warriors has ever be found, scholars began to dismiss the story as a fanciful tale.
    Now, two top Italian archaeologists claim to have found striking evidence that the Persian army was indeed swallowed in a sandstorm. Twin brothers Angelo and Alfredo Castiglioni are already famous for their discovery 20 years ago of the ancient Egyptian "city of gold" Berenike Panchrysos.
    Presented recently at the archaeological film festival of Rovereto, the discovery is the result of 13 years of research and five expeditions to the desert.
    "It all started in 1996, during an expedition aimed at investigating the presence of iron meteorites near Bahrin, one small oasis not far from Siwa," Alfredo Castiglioni, director of the Eastern Desert Research Center (CeRDO)in Varese, told Discovery News.
    While working in the area, the researchers noticed a half-buried pot and some human remains. Then the brothers spotted something really intriguing — what could have been a natural shelter.
    It was a rock about 114.8 feet long, 5.9 feet in height and 9.8 feet deep. Such natural formations occur in the desert, but this large rock was the only one in a large area.
    "Its size and shape made it the perfect refuge in a sandstorm," Castiglioni said.
    Right there, the metal detector of Egyptian geologist Aly Barakat of Cairo University located relics of ancient warfare: a bronze dagger and several arrow tips.
    "We are talking of small items, but they are extremely important as they are the first Achaemenid objects, thus dating to Cambyses' time, which have emerged from the desert sands in a location quite close to Siwa," Castiglioni said.
    About a quarter mile from the natural shelter, the Castiglioni team found a silver bracelet, an earring and few spheres which were likely part of a necklace.
    "An analysis of the earring, based on photographs, indicate that it certainly dates to the Achaemenid period. Both the earring and the spheres appear to be made of silver. Indeed a very similar earring, dating to the fifth century B.C., has been found in a dig in Turkey," Andrea Cagnetti, a leading expert of ancient jewelry, told Discovery News.
    In the following years, the Castiglioni brothers studied ancient maps and came to the conclusion that Cambyses' army did not take the widely believed caravan route via the Dakhla Oasis and Farafra Oasis.
    "Since the 19th century, many archaeologists and explorers have searched for the lost army along that route. They found nothing. We hypothesized a different itinerary, coming from south. Indeed we found that such a route already existed in the 18th Dynasty," Castiglioni said.According to Castiglioni, from El Kargha the army took a westerly route to Gilf El Kebir, passing through the Wadi Abd el Melik, then headed north toward Siwa.
    "This route had the advantage of taking the enemy aback. Moreover, the army could march undisturbed. On the contrary, since the oasis on the other route were controlled by the Egyptians, the army would have had to fight at each oasis," Castiglioni said.
    To test their hypothesis, the Castiglioni brothers did geological surveys along that alternative route. They found desiccated water sources and artificial wells made of hundreds of water pots buried in the sand. Such water sources could have made a march in the desert possible.
    "Termoluminescence has dated the pottery to 2,500 years ago, which is in line with Cambyses' time," Castiglioni said.
    In their last expedition in 2002, the Castiglioni brothers returned to the location of their initial discovery. Right there, some 62 miles south of Siwa, ancient maps had erroneously located the temple of Amun.
    The soldiers believed they had reached their destination, but instead they found the khamsin -- the hot, strong, unpredictable southeasterly wind that blows from the Sahara desert over Egypt.
    "Some soldiers found refuge under that natural shelter, other dispersed in various directions. Some might have reached the lake of Sitra, thus surviving," Castiglioni said.
    At the end of their expedition, the team decided to investigate Bedouin stories about thousands of white bones that would have emerged decades ago during particular wind conditions in a nearby area.
    Indeed, they found a mass grave with hundreds of bleached bones and skulls.
    "We learned that the remains had been exposed by tomb robbers and that a beautiful sword which was found among the bones was sold to American tourists," Castiglioni said.
    Among the bones, a number of Persian arrow heads and a horse bit, identical to one appearing in a depiction of an ancient Persian horse, emerged.
    "In the desolate wilderness of the desert, we have found the most precise location where the tragedy occurred," Del Bufalo said.
    The team communicated their finding to the Geological Survey of Egypt and gave the recovered objects to the Egyptian authorities."We never heard back. I'm sure that the lost army is buried somewhere around the area we surveyed, perhaps under 16.4 feet of sand."
    Piero Pruneti, editor of Archeologia Viva, Italy's most important archaeology magazine, is impressed by the team's work.
    "Judging from their documentary, their hypothesis of an alternative route is very plausible," Prunetic told Discovery News. "Indeed, the Castiglioni's expeditions are all based on a careful study of the landscape...An in-depth exploration of the area is certainly needed!"


    Source: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33791672...ience-science/



    WATCH VIDEO: Take a closer look at a valley of bones that researchers think may belong to the fabled lost army of Cambyses II.




    whatta ! i m excited.. i m uploading more things about this

    PS= first post updated

    meh.. as i always supposed, nobody cares of this section imho
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    Default Re: Cambyses II lost Persian army said found in desert! (videos and pics inside)

    That's huge!
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    It's awesome . In the 2002's expedition they found even shields

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    Aw I just read about this on MSNBC, but you beat me to it...
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    Quote Originally Posted by davide.cool View Post
    meh.. as i always supposed, nobody cares of this section imho
    Well.. I do.

    I was going to post an article on this as well but, you got here first!

    This is pretty awesome, IMO! I'm not qualified to speak knowledgeably on much regarding archeology. But, this is an ancient mystery that has sometimes been regarded as simple fable yet is now turning out to possibly be truly accurate.

    Herodotus is vindicated, once again, perhaps?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morkonan View Post
    Well.. I do.

    I was going to post an article on this as well but, you got here first!

    This is pretty awesome, IMO! I'm not qualified to speak knowledgeably on much regarding archeology. But, this is an ancient mystery that has sometimes been regarded as simple fable yet is now turning out to possibly be truly accurate.

    Herodotus is vindicated, once again, perhaps?
    Once more

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morkonan View Post
    Well.. I do.

    I was going to post an article on this as well but, you got here first!

    This is pretty awesome, IMO! I'm not qualified to speak knowledgeably on much regarding archeology. But, this is an ancient mystery that has sometimes been regarded as simple fable yet is now turning out to possibly be truly accurate.
    dont worry. We arent archaeologist. you can post your impressions whenever you want as we do

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    Herodotus is vindicated, once again, perhaps?
    Yes, Herodotus in this case has been accurate. Because remains has been found in El-Bahr El-Aazam and items are classified for now as:

    - human bones
    - cloaks
    - turbans
    - blankets
    - armors
    - iron knives
    - bronze swords
    - some shields
    - a silver bracelet
    - some arrow heads

    i m sure they will find more things.. but they have to be quick with excavations. there's the fear the sand will cover everything



    EDIT: i'll temporary stick this thread because i have other things to post
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    I saw this on digg today. I think no one comments because no one even notices there is a separate archaeology section within the VV.
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    That's awesome... And quite morbid

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    I wonder what the Iranian government's opinion of this would be?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chinggis Khan View Post
    I wonder what the Iranian government's opinion of this would be?
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    Default Re: Cambyses army found?

    there's already an opened discussion here: http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=309789

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    Now that is just wierd, that is a long time for them to have been sitting out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UCMENOMOR View Post
    Now that is just wierd, that is a long time for them to have been sitting out there.
    You reckon one of the skulls said "About damn time someone showed up, we have no idea where we are!" ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by UCMENOMOR View Post
    Now that is just wierd, that is a long time for them to have been sitting out there.
    yup.

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    That's a long *ing time!

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    ALways better then a genocide.

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    Very interesting. What an amazing find!
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    Wow, that is a blast from the past, indeed. Excellent discovery. Let's it will encourage attempts to validate more of the stories mentioned by Herodotus.

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