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    It was announced that the review will be led by Lord Browne, the former chief executive of BP. The seven-strong review team will feature two university vice-chancellors, a former civil servant, a banker, an economist and a student. Photo: PA

    Undergraduates may ultimately pay as much as £7,000-a-year – more than double the existing rate – following the start of the long-awaited inquiry.

    The National Union of Students warned that the shake-up could create a "market" in higher education, with top universities charging the most and poorer teenagers being consigned to "bargin basement" institutions.

    The comments came as the Government unveiled the scope of a major review of the currnet system of student fees, grants and loans on Monday.

    It was announced that the review will be led by Lord Browne, the former chief executive of BP. The seven-strong review team will feature two university vice-chancellors, a former civil servant, a banker, an economist and a student.

    The announcement followed demands that the review should not be turned into a “cosy stitch-up” led by “Government patsies” who backed a fee increase.

    Lord Mandelson, the Business Secretary, said the review team would examine the “balance of contributions to universities by taxpayers, students, graduates and employers”.

    It is also being asked to assess the impact of fees – currently set at £3,225 a year – on the drive to widen access to courses among poor students. The move could raise the prospect that any increase in fees would be conditional on improving teaching and meeting targets to increase the number of teenagers from the most deprived backgrounds. The current system of heavily-subsidised student loans could also be axed in favour of loans set at commercial interest rates.

    Launching the review, Lord Mandelson insisted that the introduction of higher fees in 2006 had not hit student recruitment.

    “Variable tuition fees provide institutions with a secure income stream worth £1.3bn, helping to sustain the long-term financial health and viability of the sector,” he said. “Since they were introduced student numbers have continued to rise, along with the numbers coming from lower-income backgrounds.”

    The review's final recommendations are not expected to be published until next summer.

    It prompted claims on Monday from the Liberal Democrats that the review was “nothing but a conspiracy between Labour and the Tories designed to keep plans to hike up tuition fees off the agenda until after the General Election”.

    Pressure is already mounting on Labour and the Conservatives to sanction a significant increase in tuition fees. A report earlier this year from Universities UK, which represents vice-chancellors, said fees could increase to £5,000 without harming student recruitment, while other universities have called for a rise closer to £7,000.

    Sir Roy Anderson, rector of Imperial College London, said the current cap on tuition fees should be “relaxed” altogether to allow universities to charge as much as £12,000.

    Wes Streeting, president of the National Union of Students, said: “There is a real danger that this review will pave the way for higher fees and a market in prices that would see poorer students priced out of more prestigious universities and other students and universities consigned to the ‘bargain basement’.

    “This would be a disaster for UK higher education and must not be allowed to happen. Members of the review should be in no doubt about the scale of public opposition to a hike in fees and the level of student anger about the extent of our indebtedness and the marketisation of our education.”

    Lord Browne, one of New Labour's favourite businessmen, resigned from BP in 2007 after a newspaper won a court battle to print details of his private life. It emerged that the businessman lied to the High Court about a four-year gay relationship.

    His review team will include Prof David Eastwood, vice-chancellor of Birmingham University and former head of England’s Higher Education Funding Council, and Prof Julia King, vice-chancellor of Aston University.

    Sir Michael Barber, a former senior civil servant in the Department for Education and the Prime Minister’s Delivery Unit, will also be on the team alongside Diane Coyle, an economist, Peter Sands, chief executive of Standard Chartered bank, and Rajay Naik, a student leader and trustee of the National Youth Agency.

    Lord Browne said: “The review comes at an important time and our task is a serious one: to make recommendations to secure the vitality of higher education in this country while ensuring that finance does not become a barrier to those who have the ability and motivation for further study.”


    The sad fact is that if Britain wants to have world class university institutions then people must be prepared to pay for the quality - more so now than ever with the economy the way it is.

    Personally, I still think it is a disgrace that could lead to skill shortages, and that a better solution would be to either cut or severely limit government funding for places in courses which are less likely to lead to a job, i.e. what some refer to as "mickey mouse degrees".
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    That's just grand. How exactly are kids from poorer families supposed to go to uni? Ihad to drop a year and work full time to pay for it, and still needed the full loan

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry Ferguson View Post
    That's just grand. How exactly are kids from poorer families supposed to go to uni? Ihad to drop a year and work full time to pay for it, and still needed the full loan
    You'll have to ask Mandelson...
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    Muwahahaha suffer like us Americans
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    The National Union of Students warned that the shake-up could create a "market" in higher education, with top universities charging the most and poorer teenagers being consigned to "bargin basement" institutions.
    I am not exactly familiar with the UK's University system, but do you pay a flat amount or does each school charge a different amount, like the U.S.?
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    The National Union of Students warned that the shake-up could create a "market" in higher education, with top universities charging the most and poorer teenagers being consigned to "bargin basement" institutions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaun View Post
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    Undergraduates may ultimately pay as much as £7,000-a-year – more than double the existing rate – following the start of the long-awaited inquiry.
    That is roughly $11732 American dollars at current exchange rates. Even with this increase, £7,000 will still be far less than what American students such as myself have to pay to attend even public universities. I can hardly see much room to complain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Legio XII View Post
    That is roughly $11732 American dollars at current exchange rates. Even with this increase, £7,000 will still be far less than what American students such as myself have to pay to attend even public universities. I can hardly see much room to complain.
    Well, is that just tuition or with Room and Board? Even if it is just tuition, that is till pretty cheap compared to schools here (I think University of Illinois is 17 ish)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nevins View Post
    Well, is that just tuition or with Room and Board? Even if it is just tuition, that is till pretty cheap compared to schools here (I think University of Illinois is 17 ish)
    That's tuition alone. My halls have cost £4500 ($9000ish) for this year alone. Plus living expenses, maybe £3000 for they year

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry Ferguson View Post
    That's tuition alone. My halls have cost £4500 ($9000ish) for this year alone. Plus living expenses, maybe £3000 for they year

    My overall University expenses are roughly as follows: $17000 for tuition, $6500 for room and board, and about $5000 in living expenses. So thats roughly £17000, all total.

    My point is, even though I sympathize with you for possibly having to pay higher fees, the rates you will pay in the UK with this increase will still be lower than those here in America.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Legio XII View Post
    That is roughly $11732 American dollars at current exchange rates. Even with this increase, £7,000 will still be far less than what American students such as myself have to pay to attend even public universities. I can hardly see much room to complain.
    We have very different views on university education here.
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    Aha, we don't have to pay..............lalalalalalalalalalalala.
    I'm costing my bankrupt government 17,000 euro a year. I guess parasites really are the most successfull forms of life on the planet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arch-hereticK View Post
    Aha, we don't have to pay..............lalalalalalalalalalalala.
    I'm costing my bankrupt government 17,000 euro a year. I guess parasites really are the most successfull forms of life on the planet.
    Christ, what course are you doing? Certainly not Arts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruire View Post
    Christ, what course are you doing? Certainly not Arts.
    Ew, gross. I'm insulted, I do have some ambition.....................to by a homeless artist, or maybe a rich one, I haven't decided.

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    I seriously wonder what I'm paying for. I mean, when I came to uni, I was told I have to print off these 90 page booklets, and that I have to pay to use the printer to print off each of them. One of those booklets roughly costs £7 to print off. Then I have to purchase £45 text-books required for the course. So I'm guessing that £3000 that I'm paying must be going straight into the pockets of the uni and it's staff. And now they want to raise the fees?!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Katsumoto View Post
    I seriously wonder what I'm paying for. I mean, when I came to uni, I was told I have to print off these 90 page booklets, and that I have to pay to use the printer to print off each of them. One of those booklets roughly costs £7 to print off. Then I have to purchase £45 text-books required for the course. So I'm guessing that £3000 that I'm paying must be going straight into the pockets of the uni and it's staff. And now they want to raise the fees?!
    Lol you don't know how good you have it at those prices. My Chemistry book was $160, and my calculus book was $150. Plus, tuition is much higher over here.
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    Great, so much for me going to the UK to study.

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    Probably substantially lower. And consider the even higher cost of further education -- grad school, law school, med school. Unless you get a scholarship, we come out of college absolutely saddled with student debt. And it's not like we don't want cheap university either... we just don't get it. So I'm not particularly sympathetic since it will still be cheaper for you guys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Justinian View Post
    Probably substantially lower. And consider the even higher cost of further education -- grad school, law school, med school. Unless you get a scholarship, we come out of college absolutely saddled with student debt. And it's not like we don't want cheap university either... we just don't get it. So I'm not particularly sympathetic since it will still be cheaper for you guys.
    And yet the education I'm getting at the University of Toronto costs me ~$6000 in tuition, and about $12,000 if I were living on campus, and it's considered overpriced in comparison to schools out of Ontario.

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