Chauhan Rajputs

[Quirl]

Do you think making the current 2.02 build of the Chauhan Rajputs playable would be unbalanced in any way?

The reason I am asking this is because it has been brought up in a few of the hotseats I have hosted. I have never played any of the Indian factions myself and am unfamiliar with what they have to offer. A few people have brushed on this subject here, but not in this way...

Any opinions?

[wudang_clown]

I'm not sure. Given that as AI faction Chauhans weren't unbalanced I guess they won't be unbalanced when you make them playable.

I think Chauhans will be playable in the next release.

[Quirl]

I'm not sure. Given that as AI faction Chauhans weren't unbalanced I guess they won't be unbalanced when you make them playable.

I think Chauhans will be playable in the next release.

I would like that. The whole playing as a city-state thing has always been interesting to me...

And sweet avatar by the way.

[[Celtíbero]Mencey]

[Lupu]

Eles are overpowered against the AI, that's it. And for what I see, the chauhan rajputs have almost all better units than the solanki rajputs, except for the solankis having 1 unit of cheap, good medium cavalry

[wudang_clown]

1. That's how it is when you hit 'autoresolve battle'.

2. That's not exactly how it is. Chauhans also have such medium cavalry - and nothing more if it comes to cavalry. And most of units available for Chauhans are also available for Solankis.

[[Celtíbero]Mencey]

So we have a problem as long as that result is from a Hotseat campaign. Chaujan player now holds sort of TUU: "Terminator Unstoppable Units".

It was like 5 men vs 1, and still this one gets clear victory!!

[gaius valerius]

Their unit roster is much more interesting then that of the Solanki's

[wudang_clown]

Their unit roster is much more interesting then that of the Solanki's

I'd rather say that they are comparable. But - we will think about some change.

If it's a problem then one can just change those stats, this is the only solution before 3.0.

[[Celtíbero]Mencey]

If it's a problem then one can just change those stats, this is the only solution before 3.0.

Is it possible with a hotseat going on? Is it difficult to fix?

[Lupu]

1. That's how it is when you hit 'autoresolve battle'.

2. That's not exactly how it is. Chauhans also have such medium cavalry - and nothing more if it comes to cavalry. And most of units available for Chauhans are also available for Solankis.

I haven't had TW installed in a few months, so I'm not entirely sure, but as far as I remember, the solanki's medium cavalry is much better, but just a little more expensive. That's the only thing that they have that is better, the rest is equal, but chauhan rajputs have all those cool units solankis don't get close to.
As gaius says, their roster is cooler, and as you say, they are comparable. That leads to a big problem, they are the same kind of faction, but one is better than the other. Nobody would complain that Oman doesn't get as good units as the Ayyubids, because they work differently, the problem arises when 2 factions that are essentially the same, 1 of them is better. Becuase that means the faction is better at what it does, that Oman has weaker units than the Ayyubids only means that it adopts another tactic.

What I say is not valueless, I have played a few years in TW clan community, and counting stats is a big part.

Edit: And it can't be ampathized or repeated enough, BC's elephants are totally overpowered agains the AI.

[wudang_clown]

What I say is not valueless, I have played a few years in TW clan community, and counting stats is a big part.

And who said it is valueless? This is completely irrelevant.

The thing is: how am I suppose to check the stats if I don't see the difference you see there? I'd be more convinced by a simple analysis.

Edit: And it can't be ampathized or repeated enough, BC's elephants are totally overpowered agains the AI.

I don't deny it. But I think that repeating is rather pointless since it won't speed up the changes, unfortunately. You can always make a submod decreasing the stats of elephant units. I'm sure it would be appreciated by many fans.

[athanaric]

I dunno, Lupu, I just saw the Chauhan Rajput AI totally getting raped by the Solanki AI, despite the supposedly weaker roster. IMO a much more important problem is the question whether the Rajputs retain the elephant bodyguards, and if, what will be their stats (corresponding with upkeep). Or maybe the towns in India should be better developed from the start. Because right now the guys are unplayable on H/M campaign.

Edit: And it can't be ampathized or repeated enough, BC's elephants are totally overpowered agains the AI.

I'd rather you said the AI is too dumb to fight your elephants. Because BC's elephants are actually nicely balanced, it's just the AI that can't handle them.
Nerfing them, OTOH, would not be good from a realism point of view (and I assume this is a realism mod; at least that's my general impression from playing).

[yukishiro1]

Elephants are totally overpowered against AI, but that's true whether you're Chauhan or Solanki.

[Lupu]

Sorry man, I will have to install M2TW, all the patches and BC to do that, and there will be some time before I do that.

[wudang_clown]

Sorry man, I will have to install M2TW, all the patches and BC to do that, and there will be some time before I do that.

That's ok, take your time.

[loup167]

Also, the Chauhan are completly surrounded by other factions (solanki, sind and gurid) from the start, having beter units can help in that situation...

[wudang_clown]

Also, the Chauhan are completly surrounded by other factions (solanki, sind and gurid) from the start, having beter units can help in that situation...

Yeah...

Currently guys are working on heavy bomber model and textures. There are some problems with propeller animation but ultimately Chauhans will be able to bomb Jerusalem and win the game.

[Lupu]

Let's just recycle BC in a modern setting, shall we? Or wait, why not IN SPACE?!

[damnmap]

I laid siege to the nearby city with enough troops to cause a sally... I was loving the elephant generals guard until he suddenly dies at the hands of some cheap peasant scum during the fight. This really pissed me off as cavalry generals are tough to lose so why the hell is the guy on the armoured elephant dying so easily?