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    Default [Exhibit] Is Iraq right to reclaim the Ishtar Gate from Germany?


    [Zainab Mohammed, Iraqi Archaeologist, NY,
    Former Employee- State Board of Antiquities and Heritage/Excavations and Archaeological Protection Department-Baghdad; M.A. Anthropology and Museum Studies]

    Having read Michael Kimmelman’s article, “When Ancient Artifacts Become Political Pawns” in the October 23, 2009 edition of the New York Times, I would like to discuss some important issues regarding ownership of Middle Eastern archaeological artifacts.

    Although Iraq and Egypt have the moral right to reclaim the various Egyptian and Mesopotamian antiquities and masterpieces currently displayed in some of the world’s largest museums; unfortunately, most of the pieces left their native country legally.

    I will talk about Iraq and the antiquities and cultural heritage laws in Iraq prior to 1936. Between 1533 and 1918, Iraq was under Ottoman Empire rule, which had left it open to travelers, excavators, and looters. Later, Iraq became a British colony and, once more, many museum pieces left Iraq following excavations, looting, and illicit trade. Evan after Iraq regained its independence in 1921, the British government retained a good degree of control (nominal independence was only achieved in 1932, when the British Mandate officially ended). The antiquities laws in Iraq between 1921 and 1936 were based on a system of division that awarded half of the finds recovered during excavations by foreign expeditions to the finders and half to the Iraqi government. This explains the massive number of Mesopotamian antiquities in archaeological collections and museums around the world. Since the law gave foreign expeditions the right to half of the pieces they excavated, foreign archaeologists had plenty of opportunities to take more than their share. Many additional artifacts were taken under these circumstances yet this is very hard to prove today.

    Archaeological law No. 49 was established in Iraq in 1936. This law allowed foreign expeditions to excavate, document, and publish research on findings made in Iraq, but assigned legal ownership of all items recovered to the Iraqi government.

    In his article, Kimmelman states that, "Just the other day, Iraq repeated its demand that Germany return the Gate of Ishtar from the ancient city of Babylon, excavated and shipped to Berlin before World War I.” If Iraq will reclaim the Ishtar Gate from the Pergamon Museum in Berlin, Iraq could then also reclaim the other parts of the gate; that is, the lions, bulls, and dragons now residing in various museums around the world. The Istanbul Archaeology Museum has lions, dragons, and bulls; the Detroit Institute of Arts houses a dragon, and the Röhsska Museum in Gothenburg, Sweden, has one dragon and one lion. In addition, the Louvre, the Royal Ontario Museum in Toronto, the University of Pennsylvania Museum of Archaeology and Anthropology in Philadelphia, the Metropolitan Museum of Art in New York, the Oriental Institute in Chicago, the Rhode Island School of Design Museum, the Museum of Fine Arts in Boston, and the Yale University Art Gallery in New Haven, Connecticut, each have lions (Wikipedia). Furthermore, Iraq should reclaim all the antiquities that left Iraq before the First World War, many of which are now among the most important pieces in the world’s largest museums; for example, the gigantic Assyrian reliefs and winged bulls of the four Assyrian capitals, and the treasure from the Ur royal cemetery, in addition to thousands upon thousands of other Mesopotamian antiquities. Many archaeological and art museums would be virtually empty if Iraq were to demand the return of its antiquities from them.

    As an Iraqi archaeologist, I would love to see the art and artifacts of Mesopotamia returned to Iraq but the law states that the museums where they reside acquired them legally and, when this was not the case, the flawed nature of the laws that were in place allowed items to be acquired illegally under the cover of law. Today, we need to focus on reclaiming those pieces that left Iraq after 1936 when the country’s cultural heritage laws limited ownership of antiquities and archaeological sites within Iraqi borders to the Iraqi government only. The return of all pieces acquired illegally following the American invasion should be pursued. Iraq has the right to reclaim these items and sue the museums that have bought, displayed, and stored the pieces looted from Iraqi museums and archaeological sites since 2003. Although many of the museums holding these items have papers purporting to prove that the pieces were acquired prior to the 1936 change in Iraqi law, in fact, most were systematically looted from Iraqi archaeological sites after 2003.


    Source: http://www.archaeologynews.org/story...rom%20Germany?
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    Default Re: Is Iraq right to reclaim the Ishtar Gate from Germany?

    The Isthar Gate in the Berlin museum is a reconstruction mostly afaik. I am not sure, if it would make sense to reclaim some of the painted bricks which are said to be original and not reconstructed. What I think would be more interesting, is if those who have legally antiquities in their museums support handcrafts at the places where the objects once came from, so good replicas can be made by locals which can help them to generate an income.
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    Default Re: Is Iraq right to reclaim the Ishtar Gate from Germany?

    it's been built with materials recovered from the excavations of Robert Koldewey, processional way included at the beginning of 1900

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    Default Re: Is Iraq right to reclaim the Ishtar Gate from Germany?

    Most of the bricks are replica when I remember correctely. Original are some of the painted bricks. You can see this also on photos of the gate because the colour of the originals is normally a little bit paler and not so shiny like that of the replicas. Glazed ceramics looses a bit of their color and the glazed cover brittles when they have laid so long under the soil.
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    Default Re: Is Iraq right to reclaim the Ishtar Gate from Germany?

    yes but parts are original

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    Default Re: Is Iraq right to reclaim the Ishtar Gate from Germany?

    Yes, parts of it look as if they are original.
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    Default Re: Is Iraq right to reclaim the Ishtar Gate from Germany?

    I guess they have the right to reclaim it, because it's part of their history -a very important part- but before reclaiming it stability and security are strongly needed. cuz maybe after they take the gate from Germany some stupid terrorists would destroy it or vandalize it.


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    Default Re: Is Iraq right to reclaim the Ishtar Gate from Germany?

    No I don't think so. I mean, it's not wrong, but it's ultimately up to the German museum. Unless the artifacts were stolen from Iraq, then I can't see what claim Iraq can have on it.

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    Default Re: Is Iraq right to reclaim the Ishtar Gate from Germany?

    Yes, for it twas imperialism which stole their culture.
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    The British won't give back the Rosetta stone to the French who want it back since it was taken by them in the action of the Nile, they won't give it back to the Egyptians either who are the original owners of the stone. UNESCO law protects them from having to do that. I don't think Iraq was an actual nation during the time when the gate originally came into German possession nor was Germany the same country it is now I believe it was an Empire(sorry lawyer excuses) and the laws are pretty straight forward about spoils of war following the debauchals of wwII. But if most of the gate is restored then the Iraqi's should make compenesation to the Germans for doing that not just expect a free ride for something that might have been destroyed during war.
    Thankfully Archeaology has progressed from stealing artifacts in the Schliesmman and Indiana Jones era.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hannover View Post
    The British won't give back the Rosetta stone to the French who want it back since it was taken by them in the action of the Nile, they won't give it back to the Egyptians either who are the original owners of the stone. UNESCO law protects them from having to do that. I don't think Iraq was an actual nation during the time when the gate originally came into German possession nor was Germany the same country it is now I believe it was an Empire(sorry lawyer excuses) and the laws are pretty straight forward about spoils of war following the debauchals of wwII. But if most of the gate is restored then the Iraqi's should make compenesation to the Germans for doing that not just expect a free ride for something that might have been destroyed during war.
    Thankfully Archeaology has progressed from stealing artifacts in the Schliesmman and Indiana Jones era.
    I m always of the idea, all countries (mine included), has to return what has been taken illegally from other nations.. and if an American museum wants to show Roman things to visitors, this museum should ask the permission of the Italian one (whenever Roman items has been found in Italy) who will grant a temporary permission to Americans for an exposition in their country

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    Quote Originally Posted by davide.cool View Post
    I m always of the idea, all countries (mine included), has to return what has been taken illegally from other nations.. and if an American museum wants to show Roman things to visitors, this museum should ask the permission of the Italian one (whenever Roman items has been found in Italy) who will grant a temporary permission to Americans for an exposition in their country
    I am just stating the law of UNESCO, I wish their were no arguments over these things as that is how war is started but also we also have to think of the greater good as well some countries during a time of war can ill afford to take care of their cultural treasures during war or time of strife ie Afghantan and the statues of Buddha when the international community stood around picking their buttocks while they blew up.
    What I am really trying to also get across that their is no real simple way of doing anything when it comes to treasures taken illegally from countries during war, which is shame because it is a national identity but also a world heritage and identity. So many museums have huge collections with wonderful treasures and gems of history but only 10% or less of the collection is ever on display.
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