vassels

[carth]

hey all,

i've tried to find it on the search button.. but i guess im typing the wrong things because i cant find anything.

what are the use of vassels? i know you become allies with trade rights and military access.
do you get some money of them or something..? if so, i couldn't see this is my finicial scroll.

already thanks!

[KittySN]

It's "vassals"... yes, you get a percentage in exchange for protection.

May be under diplomacy or corruption, I can't remember because I don't vassal in SS.

[vimy]

a vassal, in game terms:

obligates the lord to not attack the vassal state. The vassel is now under the
protection of the lord state

It obligates the vassel to pay the lord state. I believe half the income is paid
to the Lord as tribute

Both parties become allied, wich effects the present diplomatic relations of
both parties with other nations. In othe words, If Venice is allied to France and
Genoa is at war with France and Venice. If Venice becomes the vassel of
Genoa, this would make Venice and Genoa allies and also end the war between
Genoa and France.

Personaly, makeing another nation your vassel, I find more rewarding, than conquest. In the campaign's that I play, I try never to conquer but always to subdue the nations arround me, I find it more fun.

Anyway, I hope that helps.

[Sokar Rostau]

Yes, you get money and YES, it's worth it. If you can turn a rich enemy into a vassal you can be easily gaining an extra 30k per turn. I once conquered Africa and half the Middle East on the income from only one Vassal (I think it was Venice, it was a while ago). From memory they hand over every Florin they have beyond a given amount, something like 5k(?).

The improvements to the CAI in 6.2 seem to have had a positive effect on vassal states. In the past I have never managed to get more than one vassal and only once held them for more than about 10 Turns before they either backstab me or break the alliance over some war. In my current England campaign, however, I picked up Ireland by about Turn 20, they have twice broken the alliance and both times submitted to my rule again within 3 Turns and have been my subjects for well over 120 Turns. France is an interesting case because I've so far held onto them for 30+ Turns despite being Excommunicated (twice), having an Abysmal relationship with them for most of the time AND me leaving them with three settlements, one of which (Lyons) is a Fortress, and them being capable of steamrolling their four stacks over the largely undefended western France if they so chose while my armies are in the Baltic and Africa.

[Callawyn]

Pretty sure they give you any leftover cash they have on hand at the end of each turn, as opposed to percentage of income. As mentioned above, you DO get a good amount of money. The difficulty is in getting the AI to accept becoming a vassal in the first place.

[carth]

okey thanks all! well i've managed to get ireland as a vassal when i was playing england but i couldnt see any improvements.. so i just killed them now i will try to look at a difference in my money pocket

[meese]

I'm pretty sure it comes under tributes, unless my tributes was from one concocted without my knowing

[RollingWave]

vassal also count towards your objective total, if your a 60 settlement faction that have 2 5 settlement faction as your faction, you achieve the required 70 settlement.

[django333]

I think Callawyn is right about the amount of money you get from vassels. I recently made Scotland my vassel and on the first turn after coming under my protection I received over 30k florins from them! After that it was only a few thousand each turn. So it seems you do receive all the money they have left over at the end of their turn.

[Halbard]

I only managed to have a Vassal once, and it was france, . i was playing as portugal, and france was begging for mercy, (so were all factions but England, Venice and Pope, me allies who were alive only because i gave them land xD) they kept sending diplomats to me begging for peace.
Having France as a vassal is extremely fun, since they nearly crushed me in the beginning.

[Sokar Rostau]

As a matter of interest, on very rare occasions the AI will offer to become a Vassal. I once picked up Venice (which consisted of Zagreb and nothing else) after two Turns at war with them that way and, because of the 6.1 money scripts, made a fortune. I don't know if it matters, but I was allied with Hungary and HRE and at war with the Byzantines so the Venetians immediately got a ceasefire in two wars and an ally on another.