The modern Whig party

[Pickle_mole]

Whats your ideas on this party and its viability, to be honest its gotten my excited about a party like never before. I found myself voting republican but never loving them, this is different though. My only concern thus far is this.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

The Modern Whig Party is a United States political party whose stated intention is to be a "party for the rest of us".[1] It is recognized as a mainstream and non-fringe "middle ground" between the Democratic Party and the Republican Party.[2][3]
Founded by Iraq and Afghanistan veterans, the party has over 30,000 members nationally, with a sizable proportion affiliated with the American military.[4][5]
The Modern Whig Party has gained significant mainstream and online media coverage touting the "up and coming" movement as a "political phenomenon" with wide appeal, potential viability, and proven ability to attract disenchanted moderate Republicans and moderate Democrats, according to a Times-Standard editorial.[6][7]
The Party plans to run three candidates for federal office in 2010 and also a small number of state and local candidates in 2009 in order to maintain what it calls a manageable, quality-driven slate of viable candidates rather than offer mere quantity.[8] The general platform of the Modern Whig Party relates to fiscal responsibility, strong national defense, and social progression.[9][10]
An editorial in one newspaper referred to the Modern Whig Party as the "fastest-growing mainstream political movement in the nation".[11] A Sunday op-ed piece by a longtime North Carolina columnist[who?] was highly favorable toward the party: "There is nothing fringe about the Modern Whig platform."[12] Blogger Jess Chapman at The Future American credited the Modern Whig Party for having "a far broader political vision than other third parties."[13]

Gay Rights
Each state can determine the extended rights of homosexuals based on their own local values. We do, however, support classifying as a federal hate crime attacks on people based on their perceived sexual orientation. In essence, the sexual orientation of the guy down the street has no bearing on anybody else's life.

They approve of hate crimes

it should be like below, a crime is a crime, the reasons behind the crime should not matter, everyone should watch the south park episode on this issue.

If i beat a white guy=assault
if i beat a black guy=assault
if i beat a gay guy=assault

NOT
If i beat a white guy=assault
if i beat a black guy=HATE CRIME!
if i beat a gay guy=HATE CRIME!

[Phier]

Having a solid political platform and viability are completely different things.

[Pickle_mole]

agreed, but i dont see what your point is? i asked whether you can see them becoming main stream. ill add some more about their plan to the OP.

[Barry Ferguson]

Is this in the US? No, two party system. End of.

[Pickle_mole]

the two partys have changed before, and with todays political climate i think a replacement party has the best chance of any in a long time.

[Helm]

I thought Labour had it's roots in the Whigs.

Edit: America had a Whigs party as well?

[Barry Ferguson]

I thought Labour had it's roots in the Whigs.

Don't think so, you're thinkg of the Lib Dems

[Pickle_mole]

I thought Labour had it's roots in the Whigs.

Edit: America had a Whigs party as well?

Yes, Lincoln was a whig, it was a national party for 30 years or so.

[Jabberwock]

I'll be honest.

The MWP has a good platform. But those who are are associating themselves with this party is going to be the MWP failings. It's going to be a GOP Part 2.

I say Part 2 because the original GOP started off on a great platform.

The MWP is on a platform of rationality. I've seen members on this board who are associating themselves with this party (including you Pickle_mole) that has not shown an ounce of rationality concerning politics.

People who would be good for this party are Rockefeller, Lincoln, and Eisenhower republicans. A class of real republican moderates who knew how to use their brains.

[Tiberius Tosi]

Hmm, I kind of like their platform. Unfortunately third parties tend to attract radical people, and hence it will probably be more radical than they make themselves seem. Anyways, no, I do not see this party going very far. But I certainly hope they do, they seems somewhat sensible (from the little research I have done on them) and have always liked the idea of at reasonable third party coming about, even if it is just for local elections in isolated areas.

The party seems to want to mix social progression and fiscal responsibility along with a strong military, all three things I support. Hey, who knows, you may have just made me a Whig!

[Winter]

Just a note on hate crimes; you do realize you can be convicted of a hate crime for attacking a white person, as long as it is proved you had a racist agenda in the attack, right?

[Pickle_mole]

sorry for double

[Pickle_mole]

hmm, to be rational in your decision making is the opposite of emotional, cant think of when im trying to make a serious point and am being emotional.

Just a note on hate crimes; you do realize you can be convicted of a hate crime for attacking a white person, as long as it is proved you had a racist agenda in the attack, right?

Did not but i still think the core of my argument is sound, justice should be blind, A person should be tried for the crime of assualt no matter the color or oreintation of the victim.

[Winter]

Did not but i still think the core of my argument is sound, justice should be blind, A person should be tried for the crime of assualt no matter the color or oreintation of the victim.

The idea is that a hate crime is a different level of the same offense (I believe); kind of like the difference between premeditated murder and provoked murder. If you get into an argument and punch a guy, then that is assault. If you go out of your way to find black people and beat them with a baseball bat, that is a hate crime.

[Pickle_mole]

The idea is that a hate crime is a different level of the same offense (I believe); kind of like the difference between premeditated murder and provoked murder. If you get into an argument and punch a guy, then that is assault. If you go out of your way to find black people and beat them with a baseball bat, that is a hate crime.

do you think that its okay? i mean a bat to the face is a bat to face, wether i hit you becuase of your wallet or hit you becuase your white shouldnt matter, the bat to face should. how can hate be a crime?
http://w320.wrzuta.pl/film/aNfxkjzbV...te_crime_s4e01

[Winter]

do you think that its okay? i mean a bat to the face is a bat to face, wether i hit you becuase of your wallet or hit you becuase your white shouldnt matter, the bat to face should. how can hate be a crime?
http://w320.wrzuta.pl/film/aNfxkjzbV...te_crime_s4e01

I think there's a difference between a random act of violence and a hateful and prejudiced murder. Hate crimes are meant to provoke fear within a group; its an indirect assault on a community.

[S.L.I.G]

The idea is that a hate crime is a different level of the same offense (I believe); kind of like the difference between premeditated murder and provoked murder. If you get into an argument and punch a guy, then that is assault. If you go out of your way to find black people and beat them with a baseball bat, that is a hate crime.

Thats the idea. Thats its intent. Doesn't mean thats how its applied.

[Hint: Thats not how its applied]

[Barry Goldwater]

I hope to God it does, if only to crack the two-party system. (well, that system will probably have to be cracked before the Whigs get anywhere - that and the party's platform is actually likable)

[Prodigal]

It would be neat if it were successful, but I doubt it.

[Exarch]

Whats your ideas on this party and its viability, to be honest its gotten my excited about a party like never before. I found myself voting republican but never loving them, this is different though. My only concern thus far is this.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

The Modern Whig Party is a United States political party whose stated intention is to be a "party for the rest of us".[1] It is recognized as a mainstream and non-fringe "middle ground" between the Democratic Party and the Republican Party.[2][3]
Founded by Iraq and Afghanistan veterans, the party has over 30,000 members nationally, with a sizable proportion affiliated with the American military.[4][5]
The Modern Whig Party has gained significant mainstream and online media coverage touting the "up and coming" movement as a "political phenomenon" with wide appeal, potential viability, and proven ability to attract disenchanted moderate Republicans and moderate Democrats, according to a Times-Standard editorial.[6][7]
The Party plans to run three candidates for federal office in 2010 and also a small number of state and local candidates in 2009 in order to maintain what it calls a manageable, quality-driven slate of viable candidates rather than offer mere quantity.[8] The general platform of the Modern Whig Party relates to fiscal responsibility, strong national defense, and social progression.[9][10]
An editorial in one newspaper referred to the Modern Whig Party as the "fastest-growing mainstream political movement in the nation".[11] A Sunday op-ed piece by a longtime North Carolina columnist[who?] was highly favorable toward the party: "There is nothing fringe about the Modern Whig platform."[12] Blogger Jess Chapman at The Future American credited the Modern Whig Party for having "a far broader political vision than other third parties."[13]

Gay Rights
Each state can determine the extended rights of homosexuals based on their own local values. We do, however, support classifying as a federal hate crime attacks on people based on their perceived sexual orientation. In essence, the sexual orientation of the guy down the street has no bearing on anybody else's life.

They approve of hate crimes

it should be like below, a crime is a crime, the reasons behind the crime should not matter, everyone should watch the south park episode on this issue.

If i beat a white guy=assault
if i beat a black guy=assault
if i beat a gay guy=assault

NOT
If i beat a white guy=assault
if i beat a black guy=HATE CRIME!
if i beat a gay guy=HATE CRIME!

i approve so far but could u let us know some more about the origianl whig party?