Best Military Presently

[rising_phoenix]

This will be a poll on who has the best military in the world presently.

EDIT: I made it multiple guesses so hopefully ppl can limit it to their top 3 choices. it doesnt matter though, and sorry for the countries not named as i couldnt put everyone

my top 3:
US
Israel
Korea

the reason i put korea cuz they have really highly trained soldiers and have an arsenal of nukes and loads of artillery. my boy was just there and he says they are loaded.

i know all of you will disagree its a tough one cuz the british are tough also, not to mention china, australia and the swiss.

EDIT I was just pointed out that I didnt put Russia and India on this list and im sorry for that. they both should be in top 10 i was mostly thinking of best pound for pound military really, not considering their numbers but how wll trained their soldiers are and technology based. but russia and india should be on their go ahead and put other and explain who it was for.

[whitespartan]

1 U.S.
2 Britain
3 Israel

[Tigran of Sasoun]

Why isnt Russia, and India in the list? they are a strong military and nuclear power.

1.China
2.United States
3.Russia
4.India
5.Britian
6.Pakistan
7.Turkey
8.Isreal
9.France
10.Japan

Edit: Sorry i didnt know you just wanted 3 top countries. But if it is just top 3 you will have the same 2 at top all the time China and US. Makes less interesting and less to fight about, .

[Nationalist_Cause]

Why isnt Russia, and India in the list? they are a strong military and nuclear power.

1.China
2.United States
3.Russia
4.India
5.Britian
6.Pakistan
7.Turkey
6.Isreal
8.France
9.Japan

Edit: Sorry i didnt know you just wanted 3 top countries. But if it is just top 3 you will have the same 2 at top all the time China and US. Makes less interesting and less to fight about, .

I'm amused, and a bit confused, as to why China is ahead of the U.S. in your list. No airforce or navy in the world comes close to what the U.S. commands. And while China may have a considerable NUMBER of ground troops, their quality isn't that of U.S. army / marine regulars (note I said regulars, not reservists). The fact is, the U.S. is at least a decade or more ahead of other nations in terms of military tech. Such is the overwhelming power of U.S. technology that a conventional war between the U.S. and any foe or group of foes is unlikely in the near future, at least until others gain economic advantage and catch up.

EDIT: Why are we mentioning nukes in a conversation about different militaries and their quality? South Africa at one point had nukes, but never were they considered a great military power. A terrorist may be able to acquire a nuclear weapon, but that doesn't make him part of a great military.

[HunterKYA]

Why isnt Russia, and India in the list? they are a strong military and nuclear power.

1.China
2.United States
3.Russia
4.India
5.Britian
6.Pakistan
7.Turkey
6.Isreal
8.France
9.Japan

Edit: Sorry i didnt know you just wanted 3 top countries. But if it is just top 3 you will have the same 2 at top all the time China and US. Makes less interesting and less to fight about, .

If I'm not mistaken Tigran, you have #6 listed twice. Besides, I don't think Russia would be anywhere close to being in the top 3, given the state Russia is in right now, and I would reposition Britain at either #2 or #3, since with the way the US is handling Iraq, there's no way they deserve the #2 slot, Britain's military looks superior because they put more of an emphasis on training and not so much on the technological edge that the US puts into its training. Where might I ask did Turkey and Pakistan come from? Last time I looked, neither country has the best of militaries, and putting Pakistan in the top 10 just because they have nukes isn't an excuse. France...the nation that hasn't won a war on their own since Napoleon, they shouldn't be in the top 10, nonetheless the top 20. Let them fight a military campaign on their own and if they win without any assistance, I'll reconsider, but not until that time.

[haloband]

My top 3 list:

1.United States
2.Britain
3.Israel

I think the British have the best trained ground troops, while the US has the best all around package.

For such a small country, the Brits can kick some serious ass.

[{nF}remix]

This will be a poll on who has the best military in the world presently.

EDIT: I made it multiple guesses so hopefully ppl can limit it to their top 3 choices. it doesnt matter though, and sorry for the countries not named as i couldnt put everyone

my top 3:
US
Israel
Korea

the reason i put korea cuz they have really highly trained soldiers and have an arsenal of nukes and loads of artillery. my boy was just there and he says they are loaded. i know all of you will disagree its a tough one cuz the british are loaded also, not to mention china, australia and the swiss.

swiss have nukes?

[rising_phoenix]

swiss have nukes?

do they? i didnt say they did, i said korea does tho. sorry i looked at my post i meant those last five countries were "loaded" hypothetically as in their were tough my fault. im trying to do to much multitasking now :sign_sorr

Why isnt Russia, and India in the list? they are a strong military and nuclear power.

really good point i completely spaced them out i did this list in a hurry, although i still dont think they are in the top 3 but im sure many others will disagree with me, they both should be on the list.

[Tigran of Sasoun]

do they? i didnt say they did, i said korea does tho.

Yeah i dont think they do or Austrialia.

[MaximiIian]

US is best all around; China has the largest army and airforce; Britain has a smaller, but very skilled, navy; and Israel has the best aircraft pilots.

[Tigran of Sasoun]

I edited the numbers, this is what happens when you learn how to count from T.V.

Yes the US has very good technology, but that does not make them the best military. Technology is a blessing and a curse at the same time. The fact is the US has not been up agianst a nation or force that has the same technologues at itself. China has a great number of weapons, soldiers, supplies, propoganada, technology, industry.

Nukes do not make a great military, but if there is ever a war this will make the enemy think twice.

At: hunterKYA

What wrong with Russia? they have a good weapons, new and old, soldiers, pride, oil, nukes, subs, planes, tanks, allies that will help them during war. To say britian is good because they have good training is stupid. Canada has one of the best trianing in the world, but they choose to not have a strong military. But since they have good training they are the best??

[haloband]

"To say britian is good because they have good training is stupid. Canada has one of the best trianing in the world, but they choose to not have a strong military. But since they have good training they are the best??"


Wow dude, that's just my opinion, you don't have to like it (besides, Canada wasn't on the list).

The British have always proven, through-out history, to be very innovative and courageous. This small island of a country damn near ruled the world. I still believe they have some of the best trained troops in the world and believe they could hold thier own in an conventional war.

And if you think other wise, well then good for you, you are most cerrtainly entitled to your opinions just like the rest of us. The only difference is, I won't call you stupid for having them.

[Tigran of Sasoun]

Ok i didnt mean to call you stupid. Ok Britian has a good navy and a disaplined army but thats as far as they get. They have not natural resources and without the help of the US they can only win a war against a 3rd world country. Remeber the Germans had one of the best trianed soldiers in that time and equipment but they could not handel the numbers of the soviets. That is another thing that the US will have a problem with. If the US went against China they would loose. The US can not get enough soldiers and there is always the anti war movments and protest in US, something China does not have. China has the hardware, material, technology, numbers, training, industry. With all these they can win a war. Thier biggest foe would be India, but India would be chrushed by China in a war. The US has the power and technology, but all that cost money and lots of it. And with some Insurrgents in Iraq is costing the US billions. The US can not handel a war with a superpower only 3rd world countries.

Why do you think the US is so strong? because they destroyed the Iraqi army so fast? lol they didnt even wanna fight. The fact is the US spend billions and billion in technology because they know they can not win a real war. The only thing they can do is blow the s^&t out of a country that does not even have an airforce. The US tries to intimidate other with its Nukes and technology and thats it. Russia does the same, but Russia has the number and the millions of weapons stocked up and no need to created new ones. Russia has one thing going for itself: poor people looking for jobs, this = new soldiers. Also do not forget that a lot of weapons the US has outsourced to other countries and components that they use comes from other countries. China does almost everything itself.

[rising_phoenix]

Ok i didnt mean to call you stupid. Ok Britian has a good navy and a disaplined army but thats as far as they get. They have not natural resources and without the help of the US they can only win a war against a 3rd world country. Remeber the Germans had one of the best trianed soldiers in that time and equipment but they could not handel the numbers of the soviets. That is another thing that the US will have a problem with. If the US went against China they would loose. The US can not get enough soldiers and there is always the anti war movments and protest in US, something China does not have. China has the hardware, material, technology, numbers, training, industry. With all these they can win a war. Thier biggest foe would be India, but India would be chrushed by China in a war. The US has the power and technology, but all that cost money and lots of it. A with some Insurrgents in Iraq is costing the US billions. The US can not handel a war with a superpower only erd world countries.

Why do you think the US is so strong? because they destroyed the Iraqi army so fast? lol they didnt even wanna fight. The fact is the US spend billions and billion in technology because they know they can not win a real war. The only thing they can do is blow the s^&t out of a country that does not even have an airforce. The US tries to intimidate other with its Nukes and technology and thats it. Russia does the same, but Russia has the number and the millions of weapons stocked up and no need to created new ones. Russia has one thing going for itself: poor people looking for jobs, this = new soldiers. Also do not forget that a lot of weapons the US has outsourced to other countries and components that they use comes from other countries. China does almost everything itself.

if china and the us fought no one would win, they couldnt invade the US cuz every one of their ships would be destroyed even b4 they got to hawaii, and vice versa, the us and china fought in korea and it was basically a stalemate, but a tactical win for the us forces cuz they booted the north koreans out of south korea and kept the onslaught of china from busting through their lines. As for not fighting a real war, no one would be in their right mind to fight the Us in a real war. the TRU and only superpower is the US the only advantage china has is manpower obviously, even their resources might barely be equal to the US as alot of their land is inhospitable, but they have to feed 5 times as many ppl as the US. They rely too much on their numbers and as WW2 showed they got slaughtered against a numerically inferior foe in japan. Russia is basically the same, every war they get into they lose an astonish amount of soldiers, and for being so large and technologically advanced they should be wreckin all who get in their way. you have it backwards the us can feed almost all of its people without the help of other countries with the large areas of farmable lands, on the other hand china has to feed 20% of the worlds population with only 7% of possible farmable land. If the Dhinese could easily beat the US they woulda done it in Korea, and would've done it any time since then, because of their disdain for the US. They dont want war with the US, no one does, but the US doesnt want a war either.

[Nationalist_Cause]

Ok i didnt mean to call you stupid. Ok Britian has a good navy and a disaplined army but thats as far as they get. They have not natural resources and without the help of the US they can only win a war against a 3rd world country. Remeber the Germans had one of the best trianed soldiers in that time and equipment but they could not handel the numbers of the soviets. That is another thing that the US will have a problem with. If the US went against China they would loose. The US can not get enough soldiers and there is always the anti war movments and protest in US, something China does not have. China has the hardware, material, technology, numbers, training, industry. With all these they can win a war. Thier biggest foe would be India, but India would be chrushed by China in a war. The US has the power and technology, but all that cost money and lots of it. And with some Insurrgents in Iraq is costing the US billions. The US can not handel a war with a superpower only 3rd world countries.

Why do you think the US is so strong? because they destroyed the Iraqi army so fast? lol they didnt even wanna fight. The fact is the US spend billions and billion in technology because they know they can not win a real war. The only thing they can do is blow the s^&t out of a country that does not even have an airforce. The US tries to intimidate other with its Nukes and technology and thats it. Russia does the same, but Russia has the number and the millions of weapons stocked up and no need to created new ones. Russia has one thing going for itself: poor people looking for jobs, this = new soldiers. Also do not forget that a lot of weapons the US has outsourced to other countries and components that they use comes from other countries. China does almost everything itself.

You cannot win a conventional war without air superiority. Period. China could not win a war against the U.S. for this reason. Now, could China invade the U.S.? No, as the Chinese fleet is only a fraction of size and quality of the U.S. fleet.

Also, what do you define as "a real war"? A conventional war? Guerilla war? What?

I just can't agree with your reasoning, mainly because there isn't any. The point of this topic is to discuss the "best" military in the sense of 100% of any military standing toe to toe with another military. You are going off on rants about the U.S. in Iraq and domestic protests, the state of the Russian economy and speculation about how the Russian poor would make handy soldiers.

[rising_phoenix]

You cannot win a conventional war without air superiority. Period. China could not win a war against the U.S. for this reason. Now, could China invade the U.S.? No, as the Chinese fleet is only a fraction of size and quality of the U.S. fleet.

Also, what do you define as "a real war"? A conventional war? Guerilla war? What?

I just can't agree with your reasoning, mainly because there isn't any. The point of this topic is to discuss the "best" military in the sense of 100% of any military standing toe to toe with another military. You are going off on rants about the U.S. in Iraq and domestic protests, the state of the Russian economy and speculation about how the Russian poor would make handy soldiers.

good point just because there arent huge armies that cover a 400 mile front doesnt mean that it isnt a real war. a real war is any war, to al qaeda blowing themselves up and performing guerilla tactics constitues as war, there is no true definition and face of war its always evolving. todays war could be entirely different tomorow. look at americas war for independence, when they fought with snipers and used guerilla tactics and the british complained that it wasnt the way to fight war. what are you supposed to do? tell the enemy army that ok we'll meet here and fight like this and we wont use snipers or use hit and run tactics. hell no u gotta do whatever it takes to prevail. in some battles in anceint warfare they would schedule where to meet on the battlefield, but then all hell broke loose and the rules went out the door, but thats just war back then.

[Attalus]

Australian forces...hands down.

Not only have they a proud tradition of kicking tail across the globe (always in support of our friends...always) Australian troops retain the ability to conduct sensitive humanitarian tasks. Not everything needs to be beaten into submission. A 'G'day' and a smile can get you a long way...

The ADF isn't big...but it's never the dog in the fight.

Its the fight in the dog.

[JP226]

the SAS are an uncomparable force, there is no US Equivalent that can match them.

god i hate it when people say this. There are actually 2 units that do the exact same things as SAS, SEAL 6 and delta. Those three units put side by side are indistinguishable.

So your saying that if the US went to war with the British, then the British would when, right?

he must have forgot the fact that even though every brit reg is trained as well as a US marine, there are alone more US marines than brit regs.

[humvee2800]

china military can not match the us in any way shape of form,the us has far better ways of getting info and also many other ways of taking action with info.for example,if china where to mobilize 500 000 men in an armoured regiment,the us wouldnt fight them like everyone thinks with tanks and jeeps and that kinda stuff,theyd use there far superior planes to drop very advanced missiles and bombs on enemys.the reason the us has had trouble in afghanastan and irag is because there enemys artent fighting the usual way.therye fighting with geurilla tactics in mountains which makes it hard for the usa to use its full potential.
britain also has a very similar military to the us in term of technology.
sadly russia has barely any military l;eft contrary to popular beleif.theye shredded funding for therye military and there governments grossly corrupt so that what they do get is dwindled down to barely conceivable numbers.
isreal is strong but isnt a world power type of strong and certainly isnt second or third best.
india is similar to china in numbers but is much slower in advancing its military technology
korea is a very week military because the norths military has men but very little funding or training.

training is the fundemental part of militarys(along with technology),training is what seperates a soldier from a civilian.it what save the lives of soldiers and shows them how to do more damage to the enemys

oh and montesano dont be a idiot,the american military during world war two was badly trained pretty boys with sparkles in therye eyes.

[Count of Montesano]

oh and montesano dont be a idiot,the american military during world war two was badly trained pretty boys with sparkles in therye eyes.[/QUOTE]

Wow, I hope this is sarcasm. First off, soldiers are never "pretty boys" unless you're talking grenadiers from the Napoleonic age; that's why they're called dogfaces. Also, soldiers of the time wouldn't wear sparkles or participate in any of that modern rave **** - no metrosexuals in Patton's Army!


The first recruits to face Rommel in North Africa or the Japanese in Guadalcanal were pretty green, I admit. But the troops that stormed Normandy, held out against incredible odds at Bastogne, raided Japanese prison camps across hundreds of miles of jungle, and took island fortresses such as Iwo Jima and Okinawa were extremely well-trained and hard.

THis is probably good fodder for a second post, but I would also like to point out the World War II army was better at keeping the peace. The World War II army had a large number of civilian experts called to active duty - civil affairs experts, engineers, doctors, etc. This corps of civilian soldiers made the Marshall Plan a resounding success. Except for a small number of specialists, the modern American Army is mostly drawn from the middle and working classes. The force is good at fighting but lacks the sheer number of specialists needed to keep Iraq's society running smoothly.