Using Slingers Well?

[Magic_8_Ball]

Well, I've started to play rome total war online now, and I'm improving (10 wins and 7 losses or something... heh) slowly. However, I'm mostly accustomed to phalanx and roman armies. However, I can't seem to get the hang of slinger factions like carthage (even though they're phalanx) because I find that when I move my slingers (or skirmishers for that matter) up, by the time I reach there, I've already been bombarded with archers. Also, by the time I'm in range, unless I send more troops to aid my slingers, I find that they get attacked by enemy cavalry.

Any tips for helping me use these .

[VikingX]

Use them against chariots. Beside carthage should neve be used very slinger heavy. Thats far from theyre strong side

[Lancy]

You'll need to move your slingers into range as quickly as possible, so the enemy gets off fewer volleys with his archers. No dillydallying, make sure they run not walk. Also you could try bringing a peasant or two, and place them in front of the slingers. Hopefully your opponent will have fire at will mode on and shoot the peasant instead of your slingers, giving you more time to get them into range undamaged. Also, you'll need to protect your slingers from enemy cavalry, either with infantry or your own cavalry. I know if I saw an undefended slinger I'd make it my business to try and kill him with some light cavalry.

You'll probably still going to end up losing the missile duel though, since most factions beat Carth on missiles. Therefore, your best bet would be to use a combination of balerics, normal slingers and light cavalry to keep the missile duel as close as possible before moving in with your infantry (which is second to rome in low money) and sacrad band cavalry.

Edit: Any faction in particular you're trying to use them against? Some factions they're better suited against. Also, what money and scale?

[Magic_8_Ball]

You'll need to move your slingers into range as quickly as possible, so the enemy gets off fewer volleys with his archers. No dillydallying, make sure they run not walk. Also you could try bringing a peasant or two, and place them in front of the slingers. Hopefully your opponent will have fire at will mode on and shoot the peasant instead of your slingers, giving you more time to get them into range undamaged. Also, you'll need to protect your slingers from enemy cavalry, either with infantry or your own cavalry. I know if I saw an undefended slinger I'd make it my business to try and kill him with some light cavalry.

You'll probably still going to end up losing the missile duel though, since most factions beat Carth on missiles. Therefore, your best bet would be to use a combination of balerics, normal slingers and light cavalry to keep the missile duel as close as possible before moving in with your infantry (which is second to rome in low money) and sacrad band cavalry.

Edit: Any faction in particular you're trying to use them against? Some factions they're better suited against. Also, what money and scale?

I normally play 1 vs 1 10k cwb and the occasional 15k cwb. Though I haven't experimented much with slingers in the first place, I guess the roman factions, seleucid, and macedon would be a good place to start learning how to defeat, seeing as they're probably the most commonly used.

[Lancy]

Rome, seleucids, and macedon probably are the most commonly used, particularly by clanless anyway. I wouldn't suggest taking Carthage against either Rome or Seleucids as you'll be at a disadvantage. Against Macedon would probably be best to rush them with Carth as you'll have superior infantry and comparable cavarly. If your opponent's good they'll probably attempt to skirmish you with Mace though.

Against Rome, Armenia or Seleucids would be good starting factions. Both have cataphracts which if you use their mace attack will prove deadly to romans.

Against Macedon, Rome or Seleucids would work.

Seleucids are more difficult because of their versatility. Egypt, Pontus, Britannia all work well if you get good with skirmishing. Tbh though, shouldn't be too hard to beat most of the random people in the lobby who use Seleucids if you choose Rome or Mace. Your superior missiles should beat theirs and draw their infantry in. With Rome just unleash your pila on their infantry, and they'll probably panic and send in their catas, which you can just bog down with any inf (i.e. triarii or something) and any cav you have, as well as flaming them with missiles. Pretty much the same principle with Mace.

Just a few thoughts to get you started. Mainly apply to 15k cwb though, haven't really played 10k in a while.

[|Sith| Max]

1. Rome, seleucids, and macedon probably are the most commonly used, particularly by clanless anyway.







2. Tbh though, shouldn't be too hard to beat most of the random people in the lobby who use Seleucids if you choose Rome or Mace. Your superior missiles should beat theirs and draw their infantry in. With Rome just unleash your pila on their infantry, and they'll probably panic and send in their catas, which you can just bog down with any inf (i.e. triarii or something) and any cav you have, as well as flaming them with missiles.

1. Thats why i usually make my students train on them.

2. Do you seriously believe that?

[Lancy]

2. Do you seriously believe that?

I use random people in the lobby to describe your typical non clanplayer or inexperienced clan player. Or noobs if you'd prefer.

Since it has yet to fail against such a player I do seriously believe that.

Obviously against more experienced players/clanplayers you'd need to be more inventive if you were to choose Rome, but would ofc be better picking someone else.

[Eagle]

I normally play 1 vs 1 10k cwb and the occasional 15k cwb. Though I haven't experimented much with slingers in the first place, I guess the roman factions, seleucid, and macedon would be a good place to start learning how to defeat, seeing as they're probably the most commonly used.

did you try balearic slingers? they got normal archers range

[RTW Fan]

g/g slingers beat g/g archers in missile war if you can keep them in range. Balearic slingers are very good.

[Magic_8_Ball]

g/g slingers beat g/g archers in missile war if you can keep them in range. Balearic slingers are very good.

I've started to use balearics, with some success, but I find I'm having to sacrifice some of my infantry and cavalry quality for balearics, which IMO aren't that cost efficient. I guess the best way for me to use them is to just to make the missile exchange as long as I can while I progress my other troops forward.

[RTW Fan]

I've started to use balearics, with some success, but I find I'm having to sacrifice some of my infantry and cavalry quality for balearics, which IMO aren't that cost efficient. I guess the best way for me to use them is to just to make the missile exchange as long as I can while I progress my other troops forward.

Well slingers are not as good at taking out infantry as archers are(apart from Balearic/Rhodian) so it is best to use them to engage archers.

[War lord]

ill just state this for your sake.
CARTHAGE AND GREECE ARE NOT CONVENTIONAL FACTIONS
theyre egypt and brittania counters. this is because Balearics and Rhodians can shoot down chaz. cav doesnt really apply when yer fighting chaz besides light ones. perfectly affordable.

Max you can beat Greece by running away and carthage is only margenly better.

Both Egy and brittania are good at running away.

Do you see were this is going?

Hell you can beat a stack of spamtins with a half stack of mixed headthrowers and sligers.

[RTW Fan]

I find Carthage is best to take on Brittania. The poms are only good because of their head hurlers and chariots, and the cheapness of their units. They can be weak against a heavy infantry spam mixed with some light cav.

[|Sith| Max]

you would be surprised at how successful those factions are VS Egypt and Brittania, Warlord.