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    As I have reinstalled Rome Total War and Medieval 2: Total War after getting a bit bored with Empire Total War I needed a rant. I have a lot of ideas for Rome 2: Total War. I want to combine everything in the series from Rome on (haven't played Shogun and Medieval). So:

    Technologies and Development
    In Rome 2: Total War I want to have the tech system of Empire Total War, with some additions. I want to be able to have multiple schools working on the same technology. Also, I have some ideas for family interaction with it, but that'll be covered in the Agents and Family section. With these schools I see the possibility to get a realistic "Marian" reform. I'm unsure as to how exactly these kinds of reforms would work, but it's the general idea. Then we obviously have the barbarians, who won't have schools. They will maybe have to have some kind of agent, which steals technologies. Also the Gentlemen are not the case here, but that brings me to the next section:

    Agents and Family

    As said above, we'll have some new agents. The Gentlemen will be replaced by Philosophers. These will do the same things as Gentlemen, but they won't be able to steal technologies, nor duel. Then there is the barbarian counterpart, which I don't have a name for. He will be able to steal technologies. Then we have the Assassin/Spy combo (I think a Rake ). I also want the Diplomat's return, but more on that later in the Diplomacy and Trade section. Then we have the family. What I want back, are the generals being partly family members. So you can let your family members be generals or governors, but still hire non family generals/governors. When a captain has proven himself, you can choose to make him a general. Generals can be adopted with a button, or married with a daughter. This will be done by dragging his card onto this daughter. Also, there should be a way to set your heir. Thereby, I want to be able to set a secondary heir, so that there is no need to get the disinherited trait.

    Diplomacy and Trade

    The diplomacy of Rome 2: Total War should be kind of like the diplomacy of Empire: Total war, but deepened to a high degree. The Diplomat will have to set up relations with a different faction, and either set up an "embassy" there, or get someone with him to make an embassy in your capital (or in the Roman factions' cases, Rome). He can still bribe armies and such, something I really missed in Empire: Total War. The diplomacy will be way deeper. I think that the alliances of Empire Total War were quite good, but still not perfect. I want to be able to make a triple alliance, with having something like the Triple Entente in WWI, or the three allies that attacked Holland in 1672 (if I recall correctly), which supported each other. Also, we need a better protectorate system, where you can set how much freedom they have, and how much money they need to give you. They will count as territories conquered in your victory conditions. Also, the AI shouldn't attack his protector in my opinion, because it's plain stupid. I think it would be enormously cool if you could coordinate attacks with your allies, like "You attack there, and I attack there and then we come together and pwn his ass." There should be a way to ask factions to make peace with each other, I remember in Empire: Total War being the United Provinces and having dragged Britain into a war with France, which was costing both of them money and me my relation. That brings me on the point of relations. I kind of liked the Empire: Total War relations, but the territorial expansion penalty was WAY too big. On trade: I want to be able to get a monopoly on something, and be able to just kill the trade for it. Like I have 70% of the grain import to example given Rome, and I can just stop that part of the trade, forcing them to do something for me.

    Territory and Factions

    I think that it would be really fun to have the WHOLE world on the map. Obviously this might not be historically correct, but I think it'd be nice to be able to see the war between China and Rome. Of course, we can't reach America from Europe, but maybe from the eastern tip of nowadays Russia? This also brings me on the part of factions. I'd like to see the major/minor faction categories return. Then I think it would be cool to have example given the Greek City States being all minor factions, but being able to merge as a minor faction, and be able to declare yourself a major faction when you have X amount of territories. I think now it is the time for the Roman Factions section.

    Roman Factions

    In Rome: Total War we had four Roman factions. I think that this idea is nice, but I want to be able to play the Senate. You'd be able to give objectives to the Roman families, appoint the offices, and distribute the money. This is what I want to have: All the Roman factions give their income to Rome. The Senate then distributes it to the factions. So if the Bruttii are waging an expensive war, but the Jullii are just hanging out, the Bruttii get more money. The families also get "salary", which goes into the family treasury. You're able to use this money on your stuff, but use too much, and your family members will get disloyal. When they have more money, they're happier and have more power. Returning to the Senate, they can commandeer troops and territories from the Roman families, but again, taking stuff without giving will cause them to be disloyal, which might cause them to organize an uprising. This should be happening with the other Roman families when you're one of them, and when you fight them off the Senate will obviously like you a lot, giving you more money, and maybe even appointing you Emperor out of their own free will. When you are emperor, there should be uprisings and such against you. This concludes this section, and the article.

    This is all I can come up with for now, might add more stuff later, that will be marked with an "added:" mark.

    Czone
    Exactly.

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    I think that they should NOT change the Carthage faction in R2TW. That's pretty much all I care about. I loved their colors and their units, it would be sad if they changed such a good faction.

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    I love your ideas about the heirs in RTW:2. I hate the current problem in RTW where i get someone who i don't think is up to the task of running the faction, as faction leader. Good ideas, I hope they do create RTW2!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Czone View Post
    In Rome: Total War we had four Roman factions. I think that this idea is nice, but I want to be able to play the Senate. You'd be able to give objectives to the Roman families, appoint the offices, and distribute the money. This is what I want to have: All the Roman factions give their income to Rome. The Senate then distributes it to the factions. So if the Bruttii are waging an expensive war, but the Jullii are just hanging out, the Bruttii get more money. The families also get "salary", which goes into the family treasury. You're able to use this money on your stuff, but use too much, and your family members will get disloyal. When they have more money, they're happier and have more power. Returning to the Senate, they can commandeer troops and territories from the Roman families, but again, taking stuff without giving will cause them to be disloyal, which might cause them to organize an uprising. This should be happening with the other Roman families when you're one of them, and when you fight them off the Senate will obviously like you a lot, giving you more money, and maybe even appointing you Emperor out of their own free will. When you are emperor, there should be uprisings and such against you. This concludes this section, and the article.

    This is all I can come up with for now, might add more stuff later, that will be marked with an "added:" mark.

    Czone
    Love this idea.

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    I like all of it except for complete world map. Take out the Americas, then it would be perfect.
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    The ability to name and pick an image for my character without having to go into the game files.

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    The ability to "create/rename" your own "legions" e.g. :

    You merge lots of units together, and put a general in your stack, eventually becoming a full stack. While it wouldn't affect gaemplay in any way, it would be nice to give it a name like "Germania", or just a jolly name like "Fred's Gang".

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    Complex family tree for every faction, and you being able to interact with the enemies would be good. As well as your faction leader's tree there should also be the tree's of you're factions top families (including senators, generals, diplomats and priests). Each character should be able to move around map as an army, and they should have some individuality - generals not always doing what you say, governors and lesser characters moving freely unless you tell them otherwise (which could cause you problems). And some characters having secret traits would be good, from things that might anger you and danger your plans (e.g power hungry) to twists (actualy your illegitemate son, is a woman pretending to be a man, having an affair with somebody) which might or might not be revealed. Bribery, backstabbing, favouritism, exile to other factions, assassinations, marriages, mistresses, illegitimates, usurpers, rebellions and so on by you and others without you controlling them within and between your own and others faction's several family trees would make the game far more political and interesting. This would also solve the whole Rome with several factions problem.

    And the possibility of giving vaguer options to generals (e.g defend x, attack x, besiege x) rather than manually telling them every order, which they might prefer or not depending on their traits, and might not listen to you perfectly whatever.

    Also, more government options for your leader to attempt. He could be a conservative or a reformer, which would upset some and not others (from characters to populace to other factions). Why couldn't your leader in Empires gradually and cleverly (or rashly and quickly, causing you several problems in whichever relevant area) make you a democracy without a revolution? Or a dictatorship? Or change the factions religion (or even its tolerance to other religions)?
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    A world map, from China to the Americas. Probably won't happen but it would be nice.

    AI that treats armies as a whole instead of individual units. Phalanx armies wouldn't turn on the spot as the battle went on but stay in a long line.

    More democratic options

    Attrition, and a stability system tied into declaring war so you can't blitz even if you built up a long army.


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    Nice ideas everyone, I have a new one, and thought of something I want back. I really liked the system of Empire where you couldn't just enter a region. Also, being able to declare a family member rogue, especially if you could make him conquer a few regions, leave him in his rogueness, but secretly agreed with him to take him back when ou have the time-money-men to actually wage war.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Czone View Post

    Technologies and Development
    Then we obviously have the barbarians, who won't have schools. They will maybe have to have some kind of agent, which steals technologies. Also the Gentlemen are not the case here, but that brings me to the next section:
    Czone
    Unhistorical Bull-plop!
    The "Barbarians" had their own technological developments.
    In fact, The Romans adopted alot of them in their military from Hispanic swords to Helms based of the Celtaberian design.
    I think that we need to take a look at EB if we want a good Barbarian base.


    Quote Originally Posted by Czone View Post
    Roman Factions

    In Rome: Total War we had four Roman factions. I think that this idea is nice, but I want to be able to play the Senate. You'd be able to give objectives to the Roman families, appoint the offices, and distribute the money. This is what I want to have: All the Roman factions give their income to Rome. The Senate then distributes it to the factions. So if the Bruttii are waging an expensive war, but the Jullii are just hanging out, the Bruttii get more money. The families also get "salary", which goes into the family treasury. You're able to use this money on your stuff, but use too much, and your family members will get disloyal. When they have more money, they're happier and have more power. Returning to the Senate, they can commandeer troops and territories from the Roman families, but again, taking stuff without giving will cause them to be disloyal, which might cause them to organize an uprising. This should be happening with the other Roman families when you're one of them, and when you fight them off the Senate will obviously like you a lot, giving you more money, and maybe even appointing you Emperor out of their own free will. When you are emperor, there should be uprisings and such against you. This concludes this section, and the article.

    This is all I can come up with for now, might add more stuff later, that will be marked with an "added:" mark.

    Czone
    Another Unhistorical bit. The empire/republic was not set up like that. The only Factions that they should have for rome is the "Roman Republic" with a shadow faction for the Roman Empire if certain triggers are meet (the same as the revolutions in Empire)

    In addition, If you feely want a recommendation for differntuating Rome/greek and the Barbarians, I'd recommend they they have a M2 style pool with Rome having more troops with the Barbarians (Celts, Gauls, etc) have less available troops with powerful Warbands.

    Just my USD $0.02

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yahiko_n_Tsubame View Post
    Unhistorical Bull-plop!
    The "Barbarians" had their own technological developments.
    In fact, The Romans adopted alot of them in their military from Hispanic swords to Helms based of the Celtaberian design.
    I think that we need to take a look at EB if we want a good Barbarian base.
    But did they have schools? I don't know how to exactly make it for the Barbarian factions, but in my historical stupidity I just came up with this. Also, all these things are for fun gameplay, historically the Romans didn't go all the way to China did they?


    Quote Originally Posted by Yahiko_n_Tsubame View Post
    Another Unhistorical bit. The empire/republic was not set up like that. The only Factions that they should have for rome is the "Roman Republic" with a shadow faction for the Roman Empire if certain triggers are meet (the same as the revolutions in Empire)
    The change to empire wasn't because either the plebeians or the patrcians (misspelled probably) revolted, it was because Gaius Julius Caesar started it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Yahiko_n_Tsubame View Post
    In addition, If you feely want a recommendation for differntuating Rome/greek and the Barbarians, I'd recommend they they have a M2 style pool with Rome having more troops with the Barbarians (Celts, Gauls, etc) have less available troops with powerful Warbands.

    Just my USD $0.02
    Again, I know it's not historic, but this seems fun to me. Maybe they should make it a possibility to or something, with a united factions campaign and a "normal" campaign. In the latter case you'd have the Grreek Cities and the Gauls like in Rome: Total War.
    Exactly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Czone View Post
    But did they have schools? I don't know how to exactly make it for the Barbarian factions, but in my historical stupidity I just came up with this. Also, all these things are for fun gameplay, historically the Romans didn't go all the way to China did they?
    Actually, they did.
    However, most of it was religious rather than secular. For more information on Barbarian educational life, I'd go to the EB sub-forums
    Also, one more point is that alot of the Barbarian tribes had ben already somewhat hellenized



    The change to empire wasn't because either the plebeians or the patricians revolted, it was because Gaius Julius Caesar started it.
    Just a thought... what of Tiberius Grachus?

    Anyway, I know what your thinking but the fact is that splitting Rome up into factions doesn't translate well into History.




    Again, I know it's not historic, but this seems fun to me. Maybe they should make it a possibility to or something, with a united factions campaign and a "normal" campaign. In the latter case you'd have the Grreek Cities and the Gauls like in Rome: Total War.
    Again, I'd have to disagree here.
    While Rome was a United faction the Greek city-states and the "Gauls" were not.
    For the gauls you had groups like the Aedui, the Aulerci Brannovices and Brannovii, they never formed into a Union but they did form alliances in times of need.

    PS - Man, with all the disagreeing I've been doing I feel like a huge duchebag, lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yahiko_n_Tsubame View Post
    Actually, they did.
    However, most of it was religious rather than secular. For more information on Barbarian educational life, I'd go to the EB sub-forums
    Also, one more point is that alot of the Barbarian tribes had ben already somewhat hellenized




    Just a thought... what of Tiberius Grachus?

    Anyway, I know what your thinking but the fact is that splitting Rome up into factions doesn't translate well into History.

    Again, I'd have to disagree here.
    While Rome was a United faction the Greek city-states and the "Gauls" were not.
    For the gauls you had groups like the Aedui, the Aulerci Brannovices and Brannovii, they never formed into a Union but they did form alliances in times of need.

    PS - Man, with all the disagreeing I've been doing I feel like a huge duchebag, lol
    OK let's put it this way: If all would be perfectly historical, it wouldn't be Total War. I'm only saying what I think is fun, not historically correct.
    Exactly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Czone View Post
    OK let's put it this way: If all would be perfectly historical, it wouldn't be Total War. I'm only saying what I think is fun, not historically correct.
    Actually, Have you ever played EB, Roma Surectum or Rome: Total Realism?

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    Played Roma Surrectum, liked it, played RTR, disliked it, a LOT, didn't play EB.
    Exactly.

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    Well, play EB and you'll see what he means.
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    OK OK I'll get it Then I'll be on like 13 icons of Total War xD Rome, SPQR, Medieval 2, all the kingdoms, custom campaign mod, extended Greek mod, the New Shadow, Barbarian Invasion, Empire, and EB
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