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    Default Roman legion recruiting bug?

    Hi,
    Up until now I've played Europa Barbarorum. Then I tried Roma Surrectum and that was all she wrote. So first off, this mod is absolutely great and I love the focus of the mod. Anywho, I started my campaign as Rome, it's been a while into the game and I think my thing is bugged. First off, after a while into the game and building up Rome I was first able to recruit Legion VE. After upgrading barracks and stuff (AT ROME) I was able to recruit the VII and XI (Claudia Pia Fidelis) post-marian pre-imperial legions. Many turns later I finally upgraded Capua's barracks to Field of Mars. As soon as I did that I got a message saying "Roman Empire" and that I've triggered the empire (I'm assuming that's the imperial reforms). Either way I can no longer recruit VII or XI at Rome, but I can recruit Vetinarii. From the data file I read (uploaded with post)
    The purpose of this thread will be to inform the prospective player of Roma Surrectum about the recruitment and AOR system in this mod. It will be updated regularly as I get the information compiled...so check here often.

    Romans:

    There are effectively Five Phases that lead up to being able to recruit the Imperial Legions of Rome, and much has changed in Patch 8, so read carefully:

    First Phase:
    The Roman Republican Legion, consisting of Hastati, Principe, Triarii and support units is the 1st phase of the Roman Army. There are 3 Legions, of which you can recruit as many as you want:

    Republican Legion I....can only be built in Rome, and symbolizes the Senate.
    Republican Legion II can be recruited anywhere in Italy, up to a line where Mediolanium and Patavium are (but not in those regions).
    Republican Legion III can be recruited outside Italy only, and only in the designated Roman military AORs you'll see below.
    (You will be able to recruit Velites, Light Cavalry and Town Watch everywhere.)

    Second Phase:
    Republican Legion I VE- recruitable in Italy only
    Republican Legion II VE- recruitable in all AOR Military Bases outside Italy.

    As you build up your regions and you build an 'Urban Barracks' in them, you'll start seeing the 'Very Early Legionaries'.
    They are a 'transitional unit' between the old Hastati, principe, triarii legions and the later named Legions. This unit is basically a slighly upgraded Principe. He is a 'Legionary', and this Legion has a 1st cohort and Eagle, but they lack some of the discipline and training of those who would follow them. They cannot form the testudo. This is a pre-marian reforms unit, so when the Marian Reforms occur, these and all remaining Hastati, Principe, etc. units will disappear from the recruitment ques. (The soldiers you have in the field, of course, will remain.) There is no 'House Rule' on these, except you should only have one 1st Cohort per army.

    Third Phase:
    When the Marian Reforms occur, the first of Rome's named and numbered Legions will appear in any of the regions you control that are listed below. These first Legions, of which there are 13, could also be called 'Consular Legions'. They were the paid army of Rome, and recruited when Rome was still a Republic. These can only be recruited and retrained in the specified areas. However, when the Marian Reforms occur, all pre-Marian Roman units will disappear from the ques and be replaced with various 'Auxilia' units. Auxilia, Light Auxilia, Archers and varius light Cavalry will be available everywhere to recruit. The 'House Rule is ONE EACH of these Legions. (I'll explain later what a Legion is)

    Fourth Phase:
    The Imperial Legions, of which there are 22, will appear in the same ten AOR Bases when you build an 'Urban Barracks'. At this point, all the Legions will be available IF you have a Royal Barracks in each region. The 'House Rule is ONE EACH of these Legions.

    Fifth Phase:
    The Praetorian Legion becomes available in Rome only once you've built the 'Castra Praetorium' in Rome. Praetorian Cavalry will also appear there, and the Praetorian Prefect. The 'House Rule' is TWO of these Legions.

    Early, Consular legions:
    ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
    Recruitment Legion Post Hidden_Resource
    MUNDUS\Big Map MUNDUS\Big Map

    Legio I Germanica , Illyria , Belgica legio3
    Legio II Augusta , Propontis, Tribus_ordovices\Britannia_Superior legio4
    Legio III Gallica, Cisalpine_Gaul, Cappadocia legio2
    Legio III Augusta, Attica , Celtiberia legio10
    Legio V Alaudae , Venetia, Tribus_Nervii\Nervi legio9
    Legio VI Ferrata , Zeugitana\Africa , Armenia_Minor\Cilicia legio8
    Legio VII Claudia Pia Fidelis, Lugdinensis , Dalmatia legio1
    Legio VIII Augusta, Cisalpine_Gaul, Tribus_Volcae\Tuath_Ruteni legio2
    Legio IX Hispaniensis, Illyria , Celtiberia legio3
    Legio X Gemina Pia, Coele_Syria , Ceretania\Ilergetes legio7
    Legio XI Claudia Pia Fidelis, Venetia , Narbonensis legio9
    Legio XIII Gemina, Lugdinensis, Pannonia legio1
    Legio XXII Deiotariana, Mysia, Galatia legio5

    Imperial Legions:
    ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;

    Legio I Italica, Lugdinensis Sequania\Sequani legio1
    Legio I Minverva Pia Fidelis, Cisalpine_Gaul , Tribus_Nervii\Nervi legio2
    Legio I Adiutrix, Mysia , Tribus_Chattii legio5
    Legio II Adiutrix Pia Fidelis, Coele_Syria , Dacia legio7
    Legio II Traiana Fortis, Nile_Delta , Judaea legio6
    Legio III Cyrenaica, Nile_Delta, Nabataea legio6
    Legio III Italica, Illyria, Rhaetia\Helveti legio3
    Legio IV Flavia Felix, Venetia, Tribus_Scordisci\Dardania legio9
    Legio IV Scythica, Propontis , Phoenicia legio4
    Legio V Macedonica, Propontis, Thessalia legio4
    Legio VI Victrix Pia Fidelis, Cisalpine Gaul, Tribus_Brigantes\Britannia_Inferior legio2
    Legio VII Gemina Felix, Attica, Gallaecia legio10
    Legio X Fretensis, Coele_Syria, Judaea legio7
    Legio XII Fulminata, Coele_Syria, Cappadocia legio7
    Legio XIV Gemina Martia Victrix , Mysia, Tribus_Trinovantes\Britannia_Superior legio5
    Legio XV Primigenia , Zeugitana\Africa , Nabataea legio8
    Legio XV Appolinaris, Venetia , Armenia_Minor\Cilicia legio9
    Legio XVI Flavia Firma, Illyria, Phoenicia legio3
    Legio XX Valeria Victrix, Attica , Tribus_Ordovices\Tribus_Silurii legio10
    Legio XXI Rapax (Predator), Nile_Delta, Tribus_Nervii\Nervi legio6
    Legio XXII Primigenia , Lugdinensis, Tribus_Chattii legio1
    Legio XXX Ulpia Victrix, Propontis, Tribus_Nervii\Nervi legio4


    Latium, Rome - Praetorian Legion


    These ten bases will be where all the newest military equipment is available as well; scorpions, repeating ballistas, heavy onagers…the most advanced cavalry such as Legionary cavalry, and several AOR restricted cultural cavalry units like Roman Cataphracts and Roman Gothic Cavalry…the most advanced archers and supporting troops.
    I never got a message about the Marian reforms, and even now with the imperial reforms triggered I can only recruit pre-imperial legions, and from the wrong regions it seems. Also, in several of my cities with "field of mars" there are multiple of the cohors militia. I don't know if that is supposed to happen, or if it's a bug letting me recruit them. Either way, I don't think I was ever supposed to be able to recruit VII or XI in Rome. Any tips? Thanks guys!

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    Default Re: Roman legion recruiting bug?

    I think you were, actually. When you right-click on the cohorts from those legions, you can read AOR Rome, then the provinces in which Croton and Tarentum are located (one of them is Bruttium, can't remember the other one). It's a bit peculiar but I personnaly found interesting to shift progressively from VE legions to Imperial ones.

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    Default Re: Roman legion recruiting bug?

    I think there are some AOR mix-ups in 1.6, similar issues are noticed recruiting legions in byzantium, and some republican legion recruiting in settlements in Gaul.

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    Default Re: Roman legion recruiting bug?

    Glad to know I wasn't the only one having issues with this. I tripped about the time the Marian reforms triggered. I lost the ability to recruit anything except cohors. I fixed this by checking and making sure I had the correct level of barracks in each region. But there definately may be a bug somewhere.
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    Default Re: Roman legion recruiting bug?

    you were supposed to be able recruit 2 legions in Rome b4 reforms, go to important stuff and check legion recruitment for more info, also you are able to recruit multiple cohorts of auxiliary, its perfectly normal.

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