The Arab Revolt (1916–1918)

[ALFAJI]

hey all if there is no Arab Revolt (1916–1918) in that time what do you think would habben
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Revolt

[jo the greek]

hey all if there is no Arab Revolt (1916–1918) in that time what do you think would habben
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Revolt

Arab tribes like those rebel were always in a semi rebellious situation

against Ottoman empire you may say that were also more motivated
from the prospect of loot rather than any kind of nationalism and etc.

[Hookah Smoking Caterpiller]

If there had been no arab revolt, someone else would have come on this forum and asked 'what it there had been an arab revolt in 1916?

And he would be equally as lothed as the op.

[uzi716]

No Israel, no tension in the Middle East

the middle east would've probably either remained Turkey or they region would be united under 1 government

[jo the greek]

No Israel, no tension in the Middle East

the middle east would've probably either remained Turkey or they region would be united under 1 government

how do you unite the divide of ottoman empire with an event made 30 years later is insane.

Most propably cause you see all orientals the same and still problems would
occur arab vs Turkish nationalism (wanted all muslim named turks as happened in turkey) Arabs vs Arabs (or christian arabs).

Israel just made the place worser.

[hellheaven1987]

I fail to see why there would not have an Arab Revolt; in fact, since there was plenty of resource and a bunch of eager people who care nothing, why not revolt?? Arab would lose nothing anyway, even the revolt failed.

The tension of Middle East is not sololy caused by Israel; pretty much each major Arab nations want to cut another's throat, start from Syria and end at Saudi Arabia. Irony, Israel actually give them a common enemy to hate and temporary united together, just like what happened 800 years ago when Crusader showed up.

[Armfelt]

I saw the movie.

[Koelkastmagneet]

Pretty much the same that would happen with the Arab revolt, the Ottomans were simply not prepared to fight a modern war, regardless of any arab revolt.

You would have less Turks making retarded youtube videos about the Arabs "betraying" them.

[dogukan]

Pretty much the same that would happen with the Arab revolt, the Ottomans were simply not prepared to fight a modern war, regardless of any arab revolt.

You would have less Turks making retarded youtube videos about the Arabs "betraying" them.

hahaha indeed


OP...stupid question mate. Thats a 100 year of different history no one can guess. One thing is for certain, the region would turn to hell anyways due to natural resources.

[Dr. Oza]

what.. they did betray us

and if there had been no revolt... the ottomans might have lasted a little longer in the me.. not much i presume

and the region would have been one government..

id just like to remind everyone that these revolts had nothing to do with nationalism... mercenary bands of arab tribal leaders were paid and coerced by the british and te. lawrence to fight against the ottomans

its typical war time covert activities... and the reason the areas a storm today

all those borders except iran, egypt, and turkey are made up...

[Warhammster]

all those borders except iran, egypt, and turkey are made up...

The Israeli borders are as genuine as it gets

[motiv-8]

The Israeli borders are as genuine as it gets

Indeed, the colonists knew their ancient maps... Even though they missed Damascus. Then again, the borders of the historical states in the area are largely natural.. rivers, desert, mountains, etc.

Anyway, the largest implication I can think of in terms of the absence of an organized Arab Revolt would be a much lesser presence of pan-Arabism in the interceding years... No Kingdom of Syria to be dismantled by the French with British acquiesence, perhaps no Mandatory period, etc. The Zionist and settler movements in Palestine would have taken on a different character, though if we assume World War II still occurred I don't see how it would have stopped the formation of an Israeli state. Perhaps, given a theoretical smaller presence of Arab nationalism, the Israeli state would have formed more in compliance or cooperation with the locals. I say this because the predominant force opposing Israel was in fact pan-Arab nationalism.

[Koelkastmagneet]

what.. they did betray us

and if there had been no revolt... the ottomans might have lasted a little longer in the me.. not much i presume

and the region would have been one government..

id just like to remind everyone that these revolts had nothing to do with nationalism... mercenary bands of arab tribal leaders were paid and coerced by the british and te. lawrence to fight against the ottomans

its typical war time covert activities... and the reason the areas a storm today

all those borders except iran, egypt, and turkey are made up...

It's absolute to whine about being betrayed when you violently oppress a people and take away their self-determination.

[Icefrisco]

The Arab Revolt was going to happen anyway because at some point a foreign power would have tried to gain further influence in the Arabian world. If it wasn't the Europeans, it would have been the Saudis. The Saudis probably would have tried to cause a pan-Arab Revolt rather than simply invade the new states in the Arabian Peninsula. Basically, there was no way that any country could contain the Arabs, there were too many of them and they were all unhappy.

[motiv-8]

The Arab Revolt was going to happen anyway because at some point a foreign power would have tried to gain further influence in the Arabian world. If it wasn't the Europeans, it would have been the Saudis. The Saudis probably would have tried to cause a pan-Arab Revolt rather than simply invade the new states in the Arabian Peninsula. Basically, there was no way that any country could contain the Arabs, there were too many of them and they were all unhappy.

Good speculation.

No Arab Revolt = No Israel. The Jews should thank to Arabs for creating their homeland. Eat your heart Faisal.

This, I don't quite understand. The first waves of Israeli settlers arrived not just with the acquiescence of the Ottomans, but with the active assistance of the Arab landed class around Mount Lebanon, specifically in Beirut, who held much of the land in Palestine absentee and sold it to Jewish settlers. How would the lack of an Arab Revolt have changed this, exactly?

[hellheaven1987]

This, I don't quite understand. The first waves of Israeli settlers arrived not just with the acquiescence of the Ottomans, but with the active assistance of the Arab landed class around Mount Lebanon, specifically in Beirut, who held much of the land in Palestine absentee and sold it to Jewish settlers. How would the lack of an Arab Revolt have changed this, exactly?

Indeed, whether there was Arab Revolt or not it did not stop Jewish population immigrated into Middle East. Rather, it was WWII that put final nail on coffin.

[white-wolf]

No Arab Revolt = No Israel. The Jews should thank to Arabs for creating their homeland. Eat your heart Faisal.

[jo the greek]

Ιτ ιs entairntening to see Modern turkish Myths about the fall of Ottoman empire
i have read similar greek and although they are from different nations they follow the same logic .

Although the Arab rebels were motivated by loot it is wrong to say that Arabs liked Ottoman empire or that would Liked a Turkey with union with Arab states.

Reasons and Logic

Do i have to remeber the Wahhabis rebellion the Wahhabis always saw the Sultan as a heretic and the Sultan the Wahhabis as heretics

Drouze and Maronites of mount Lebanous were always in kind rebelious autonomy against ottoman empire like did Maniots of Greece.

Neoturks and Nationalism
Nationalism spread llike fire in balkans and then got the Turks some only in small percents nationalism is good in large amount worse than religious fanatism.
Albanian Nationalism appereared when Neoturks tried to Turkfy Albanians although in previous years albanians were among the leading nations in Ottoman empire
The same happen in Arab areas in Cilicia across cyprus lived many Arabs until 1920s that most migrated after the creation of Turkey
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabs_in_Turkey

Logic
Kurds (believing in holy war hypocrisy) supported nationalistics efforts likes Kemals and you all know how it resulted for them to be Named Turks of the Mountains.
If Arabs didnt rebell in a nationalistic state would had problems.

Creation of Israel
Ιt easy to judge when you know the result of history but the holocauft gave the excuse that lead in Israel . And this happened 30 years later surely there was an intention from Jews but you cannot say that the Rebelion of Arabs lead in Israel.
Cause for example jews were seeking also for alternatives
http://staff.lib.msu.edu/sowards/balkan/lect17.htm

A similar theory like White Wolfs

Turkey is responsible for the creation of Isreal if had joined the Axis(if arabs didnt rebelled) the Israel wouldnt be created


Ottoman empire fall cause of lack of humanist education corruption religious fanatism nationalism medieval logics and local interests and although in the end
the Sultans did impresive reforms that didnt worked cause of the above .

If Ataturk wanted today Turkey would be called Ottoman empire or Kemals empire
but he chose to name Turkey for good and for bad .

And those that made Ottoman Empire fell still exist in the hearts of the states that took the position of ottoman empire although nationalism brought some better condition.

[white-wolf]

I would like to answer my critics about creation of Israel with these;
- Sykes-Picot Agrement
- Balfour declaration

About inevabilety of an Arab revolt; there had been always rebellions at Ottoman empire. However, without foreign help any of them was successfull. Think again.

[jo the greek]

I would like to answer my critics about creation of Israel with these;
- Sykes-Picot Agrement
- Balfour declaration

About inevabilety of an Arab revolt; there had been always rebellions at Ottoman empire. However, without foreign help any of them was successfull. Think again.

When your wife is misserable or a it is only matter of time
untill finds an other man.
And if u accuse the other man for taking her you fail to see the real problem.

In other words if Arabs supported the Ottoman empire you know the rest..