Christians vs Catholics?

**GeneralTrue** · November 02, 2009, 04:50 AM

There was a time when the christians crusaded against the romans.but in time the romans joined the christian movement to destroy it from within and formed the roman catholic church.as they did the same with the crusades.in which era was this?would it not be a good idea for a mod?cause i feel kind of strange playing the catholics while i am not one but a normal christian.thanks in advance for reading.

**The Guy With No Imagination** · November 02, 2009, 07:44 AM

Well, i think that christians never crusaded against rome, and I am CERTAIN that christians were persecuted by romans. When Constantine the Great was emperor, he made christianity the offical religion. The romans had no intention of destroying christianity, and they didnt. When the empire split, after a time, there was one schism, where Rome and Constantinople disagreed, on some things, the second Schsim, where they disagreed on more things, and finally, the great schism, where the Catholic and Orthodox christions were clearly and obviously different and distingiushable from each other. PLease explain the rest of your comment, because i dont get this part "roman catholic church.as they did the same with the crusades" explain plese?

**GeneralTrue** · November 02, 2009, 09:42 AM

Originally Posted by The Guy With No Imagination

Well, i think that christians never crusaded against rome, and I am CERTAIN that christians were persecuted by romans. When Constantine the Great was emperor, he made christianity the offical religion. The romans had no intention of destroying christianity, and they didnt. When the empire split, after a time, there was one schism, where Rome and Constantinople disagreed, on some things, the second Schsim, where they disagreed on more things, and finally, the great schism, where the Catholic and Orthodox christions were clearly and obviously different and distingiushable from each other. PLease explain the rest of your comment, because i dont get this part "roman catholic church.as they did the same with the crusades" explain plese?

Well a christian friend of mine told me about the crusades.the romans persecuted the christians so the christians fought back in a crusade against the romans.but because christianity prospered so rapidly they could not destroy it from outside,so they decided to make a off spring of christianity named the ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH.as that way they also joined the might of the crusader armies.they of course did not succeed to destroy christianity from within as it is made by God.

**The Guy With No Imagination** · November 02, 2009, 04:20 PM

I do believe you are confused. The catholic church is called the Roman Catholic church, only because of the Schism(s) and where the Pope primarily lived. The schism occured aswell becasue the R.Empire splintered, and the Western Roman Empire practiced Catholicism, albeit a simpler version than today's catholicism. This is why the catholic church is called the Roman Catholic Church, and the Orthodox religion is called the Greek Orthodox church i believe. Since the Eastern Roman Empire practiced Christian Orthodox, it was also primarily greek, since the regions of greece, byzantium, and most of Asia minor, egypt, and the holy land was inhabited by greeks.

And by the way, I am pretty sure i know the histry of my religion.

(no insult intended)

**DaVinci** · November 02, 2009, 05:24 PM

How about to grap some history books and/or google some terms of history in the net

The thread-title is completely wrong, it could call perhaps Protestants vs. Catholics, but for sure not Christians vs. Catholics.

Also, of course there were wars between Catholic nations and Orthodox nations, in the same wise as there were wars between Orthodox' nations and between Catholic nations and later between Protestant nations, but no crusades at all between them.

Crusades did exist from (christian) Catholic nations vs. Muslim people, and Pagan people, and yes, crusade-shaped Pogroms vs. Jewish people.

And short to 'christianity':
The first christians were a rather small group of an underground sect as to times of Jesus, and then after his death, his apostels were active, spread the word of this new belief in the Roman Empire (mainly the eastern parts of the empire) and across the borders - some of these early Christians were captured by the Romans, enslaved and partly brought to Rome, and then brought to death for example in the public games, ie. if a "black-sheep" was needed. However, then also the christian belief was known and slightly spread in the western part of the Roman Empire.
Far later, see what The Guy With No Imagination said; Rome took over the christianity as official religion (the saga says, the early christian sign as banner and on the shields helped Constantine in his battles vs. his rivals, so they thought the christian god is much more powerful than the old gods, so it came that the christianity got a real meaning for the Romans - while these Roman rulers nor the people or soldiers were of course no real christians in the sense of what Jesus preached).
The Catholic direction besides the Orthodox direction are the most early big church institutions of the christian belief (but not the first ones btw., as ie. the Armenian and also the Aramaic christians were the first bigger christian organisations in the eastern Roman Empire regions). These church institutions have imo. less to do with the early christians - the only thing they have common is the belief in Jesus as the son of the one god. And as side-explanation: The most oldest belief in one god is the Jewish belief. And as for the muslim belief, the muslims believe(d) to the same one god, but similar to the Jews never believed in Jesus as the son of the one god (in the Islam, Jesus is one of the many prophets of the one god).

**GeneralTrue** · November 03, 2009, 06:35 AM

Oke i might have got a little confused.the title should of been Christians vs romans.as the romans persecuted them and tortured them.for that bair reason they fought back against the romans in a crusade.this is somewhere in the history book cause this friend of mine knows allot about history.so what i like to see is a mod where you have christians and the old rome when they where not catholics.

**DaVinci** · November 03, 2009, 10:37 AM

Originally Posted by GeneralTrue

Oke i might have got a little confused.the title should of been Christians vs romans.as the romans persecuted them and tortured them.for that bair reason they fought back against the romans in a crusade.this is somewhere in the history book cause this friend of mine knows allot about history.so what i like to see is a mod where you have christians and the old rome when they where not catholics.

Bold: Nope ... that never happened. Also the title Christians vs Romans wouldn't fit.

As SV mentioned, the sack of Constantinople was the only event, when Crusaders (Catholics) fought against Romans (the (East) Roman Empire, who were for about 900 years orthodox Christians at this time), and is exactly like SV said, had no crusade-movement reason, just pure economic-political reasons.

**SicilianVespers** · November 03, 2009, 08:31 AM

If you are referring to the 4th Crusade, and the sack of Constantinople. This was a purely economic decision by Venice. She basically redirected the crusade to Constantinople.

It was in no way an aim of the crusading movement.

**GeneralTrue** · November 03, 2009, 08:44 AM

Originally Posted by SicilianVespers

If you are referring to the 4th Crusade, and the sack of Constantinople. This was a purely economic decision by Venice. She basically redirected the crusade to Constantinople.

It was in no way an aim of the crusading movement.

Well i will ask my friend about this again mabye i am confused.

**Zom** · November 03, 2009, 12:56 PM

Originally Posted by GeneralTrue

Well i will ask my friend about this again mabye i am confused.

You really need to do your own reading of history. I would encourage you to go to the library and take out a few books covering different eras. You will be glad you did.