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    Hello, I will attempt my third guide in the total war series, my first guide on Medieval Total War 2.

    Britian, after the Norman Conquest that got rid of the saxons the Normans turned their backs on France and took the English Crown. They build beautifull castles that are still view-able today. Also the Battle of Hastings has it's own information center in Leicestershire. The barbaric Scots lie to the north and the Welsh and the Irish will always be rebellious. The Pope gave Duke William much support in making England Catholic and civilised. King William the Conqueror took London after beating a weaker Saxon army and killed King Harold. Then they captured Nottingham and build a castle to fortify their position.
    Your task is to capture the British Isles and make the Norman-English royal blood-line proud!


    You start off in the south of England with three Settlements. London, your capital, and Nottingham your castle and Caen a Northern France city. Your first task is to take York, now this should be extremely easy if your playing a medium/easy campaign, there shouldn't be anybody in it. If there is an army, simply get Prince Rufus and your superior army, to seige the walls and take it. Now Caen, I'd take Rennes and Bordeuox pretty quickly before the French. Beating the French shouldn't be to hard at all, they are surrounded by better factions. Milan could tear them apart, HRE could, Spain could, oh and You can too! . Bordeoux should be very well garrisoned, it holds of Spain and it's a very good castle to have. Also it's coastal, sea trade is something to be flourished. Rennes and Caen and Bordeoux ports should have ships flowing in and out. Now scotland shouldn't of taken Iverness, for some reason they just have a huge army on the border. This is costly for them, they are bound to be bankrupt.



    Leave the Welsh castle alone for now, it's rebel and you have another faction that is more of a threat. Whilst you are capturing the French Rebels coastal settlements, you should ship your Dimplomat over to the Europe Mainland and gathered trade rights with everybody you can, make an Alliance with Spain and Milan and HRE. They surround France. If a crusade has been called, I wouldn't join it yet. It's hard for England to do it, if you gather a ship from London and sail around Spain, desertion is a definate. You have to move your army to the very south of France and hire an expensive mercanary boat or, if you are alot smarter than me, you would of already had one there incase of a Crusade .

    After taking Bordeoux, the Pope should be pretty happy with you, now after you've settled into France, go east and start taking Bruges and Antwerp. Again coastal cities. Except after taking these two, Denmark becomes a potential enemy. France should be left with Touleouse, Marsielle, Dijion, Paris and whatever the other one near Paris is. You shouldn't of started a war with France either! If they attack you, don't fight back, never be the attacker. The Pope is like a corrupt political figure, make him happy, he treats you, piss him off and he uses all his connections ( catholic factions ) and wealth to destroy you.

    You should be in turn, 20-30. Economy should be good as always with England, your armies should be big and bustling. And most importantly, France should be scared. Their old friends have come back to haunt them under a new name. England. Everybody should know the name. Start your assualt on France, finish them. They shouldn't be rich, with only one Port. They shouldn't of too big armies, fighting other factions, and they don't have that great generals either. Should be a challenge, nothing you can't handle. Just keep building armies in Bordeoux, England loves their missles, longbow men are a gift, cherish them. After taking York, go and take Edinburgh, they normally have two big stacks, and to be honest your one full stack should be enough, just bring alot of seige equipment, what I do is take out the walls to the side of the Gate, then destroy the towers, then the Gate. Gives your army much more flexibility instead of cramming through a small narrow passage with arrows going into you ( towers ).

    After taking Edinburgh, Iverness is your next target, and you should of been building an army in Nottingham to take the Welsh castle ( Caernovern??? ) After taking both of them, get your army from Iverness and take Dublin. Huraay! you've pretty much done what every Englishmen wanted. After this, you should of got advanced troops, an amazing economy and land. Yes lots of it! You have a choice, muscle into the compact Germany, when I say compact I mean 3 factions battling for it. 4 if you count yourself. Or Spain, the Moors shouldn't be in Iberia anymore, Portugal normally falls, and Spain are just twiddling with their thumbs waiting for something to happen. Build a great army in Bordeoux and any other castles, and go for the Iberian conquest! HRE should be diminished, Denmark normally try to seige Antwerp. Milan, they should be busy building whatever. Spain also should be crying in the corner. They are doomed. :L






    Faction Guide
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    As with every other guide I will post how to over-come the factions with England


    France - Your main Rivals. A decent army, but mostly a punching bag, use your longbow men and knights to over-power them. Also every one of France's neighbors wants a peice of them. Allie with France's enemies make them fight a two-front battle.

    Scotland - Barbaric at the least, they have one city and don't really take Iverness. Bad Economy, bad armies. Should be a pish-over really.

    Spain - Right, this faction is not to be under-estimated, they can easily send out stacks and stacks of Knights. They have a good army and have a good natural defence, many ports and easy access to Islamic factions and Timbuktu. Send a few merchants there and your set. Again, use your knights and longbow men, you also have good cavalry, very good cavalry, use them.

    HRE - Should be pretty weak by the time you reach them. However if left to grow, can easily be the biggest force in Europe. The Pope hates them, simple. Use the Pope to start an economy down-fall on them. Try get them exo-communicated by sending your armies to their lands, but don't attack! Never become the attacker. Many castles and good armies. A challenge. Be up for it.

    Milan - A Meagre faction, a state that has two cities, they have potential to grow, with Bern to their North, Flourance to the South. And Corsica and Sardinia right below them. They can easily grow, HRE should keep them in place though. Depends how your game goes really. They can be very weak, or strong.

    Venice - Shouldn't bother you, they tend to go to the Croatian and Bosnian coast. Hungary puts them to an instant halt. Decent Economy, nothing special about their army.

    Denmark - Denmark don't actually have Denmark, they have Arhus to the north, but Hamburg, a good castle lies to the South. HRE usually snaps it up. However if Denmark grab it, be prepared for them to send stack after stack after stack to Antwerp and Bruges. Literally they wont stop untill you fight back. Try and get Poland to attack them too. They also go for Scandinavia first, if you really want to annoy them, instead of taking York at the start, ship over to Oslo.

    Portugal - Poor army, not much heavy infantry and not a good economy, Moors and Spain normally take them out before you get a sniff of them. Your army is much much more superior than theirs.

    Sicily - If you get to Northern Italy, Sicily, your Norman cousins, will want a peice of you. They don't normally send a stack through the Rome region, but take the mountains to the eastern coast of Italy. Naples and Palmero are good settlements to grab, also Sicily if on a halt, go for Northern Africa. A good army, good economy, be cautious.
    Last edited by Steve2295; November 01, 2009 at 03:39 AM.
    'A soldier will fight long and hard for a bit of colored ribbon.' -Napoleon Bonaparte

    'What's that fluttering in a breeze?
    Its just a piece of cloth
    that brings a nation to its knees.
    What's that unfurling from a pole?
    It's just a piece of cloth
    that makes the guts of men grow bold'
    - John Aggard

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    Dealing with the Pope
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    The corrupt Political Figure I talked about earlier, he can be your worst enemy or your bestfriend. Give him money, he will love you and you are free to destroy any Catholic factions, however really annoy him, prepare to get Exo-communcaited and all your alliances broken and trade rights cancelled, your economy will be broken. Normally when I take the Holylands, I take a near-by rebel place such as Damascus and give it to the Pope, he loves you for this, also you wont have such a hard time there. Mongols especially, I havn't seen them attack the Pope yet. Try and get your enemies to become the Pope's enemies too. Work with the Pope. Cripple them. Send a cruader army to your enemy, take the settlement, get money for it and experince! Also cheap mercanaries are good.

    The Pope can never die, if you assassinate or kill the Pope in anyway, another one simply replaces him. Take Rome, the Papal States still live. Another faction can simply give them another Region. Inquisitors will be lurking around and he will try and make your life hell. I hate Inquisitors, they play dirty. Just take out all heretics or, your factions characters, generals can be trialed for Herecy, and if proven Guilty, burnt at the stake.




    English Units

    Light Infantry

    Peasants
    Life at the bottom rung of medieval society is not easy or healthy. In times of war peasants are forced from their farms and drafted into levies, and if they are lucky, given some kind of simple weapon to fight with. Unsurprisingly peasants are undiscplined troops who are better at fleeing than they are fighting.

    Town Militia
    These men are commoners and peasants who have been levied into local militias to defend towns, roads and bolster armies. Given some training and equipped with a short spear and shield, though little armour, these units are useful in defence, but cannot be expected to endure for long on an open battlefield.

    Spear/Pike Infantry

    Levy Spearmen
    Levy Spearmen are common folk from villages and towns that have been levied into the army. Armed with long spears and shields these troops are useful at defending flanks, but won't stand up in any prolonged melee.

    Spear Militia
    Common throughout Europe, Spear Militia are commoners and peasants who have been levied into local militias to defend towns, roads and bolster armies. Given some training and equipped with a long spear and shield, these units are useful in support roles for heavier and better units.


    Heavy Billmen

    Heavy Infantry

    Armoured Sergeants
    Armoured Sergeants are professional warriors, drawn from the lower classes. They have some skill in combat and are well equipped with long spears, large shields and mail armour. They're very solid defensive units, able to resist attacks from both foot and horse, so long as they are well supported. If necessary they can form a defensive circle.

    Armoured Swordsmen
    Armoured Swordsmen represent those of the knightly class with a desire to fight on foot, or too poor to afford a horse. Able to afford excellent armour and swords, they can punish most other infantry. These units along with archers form the backbone of many English armies.

    Bill Militia
    Bill Militia are commoners handed a billhook and if lucky some armour, then formed into a unit to defend a settlement. Not afforded the training of normal and heavy Billmen units, Bill Milita are weaker in combat but make up for it by being cheap replacable troops.

    Billmen
    The billhook was originally developed from a farming tool, and consists of a axe and hook on the end of a long pole. A trained billmen can use it to stab, hack and drag down his enemies, including both infantry men and mounted troops. It works as both a defensive and assaulting weapon.

    Dismounted English Knights
    English knights often chose to fight dismounted. With their fearsome poleaxes, they can crush enemy infantry and fend off any horseman.

    Dismounted Feudal Knights
    Knights would often dismount and fight on foot when the situation demanded it. Dismounted they make excellent heavy infantry.

    Heavy Bill Militia
    Heavy Bill Militia are superior English garrison troops compared to standard Bill Militia. Not only are they heavily armoured in plate armour and armed with a billhook, they are trained to be more effective units in combat as well.

    Heavy Billmen
    The pinnacle of English commoner infantry, The Heavy Billman is equally comfortable in attack and defense. Wielding the billhook allows Heavy Billmen to hack, stab and chop if needed and being encased in anything from half to three quarter plate armour means they can shrug off considerable damage.


    Yeoman Archers

    Missile Infantry

    Archer Militia
    Archer Militia are bow-equipped peasants called upon to provide a settlement with a garrison of missile troops. Whilst poorly armoured, these troops are expected to shoot at an enemy from the safety of their own walls.

    Arquebusiers
    Fired at close range and quite accurate, with only a little chance of exploding and killing the person firing it. This forerunner of the musket is capable of firing deadly volleys that can pierce armour. This noisy, smokey and lethal weapon is so intimidating it causes morale damage as well as physical hurt.

    Longbowmen
    Originating from Wales, a longbow using a 'bodkin' arrow, a hard chiselled tip shaped like an elongated pyramid, can pierce all but the best armour. As the longbow is difficult to master longbowmen begin training at a young age. Being susceptible to cavalry, longbowmen can plant sharpened stakes in front of their position to help keep enemies at bay.

    Peasant Archers
    While most peasants in Europe were levied into the army, at sword point if need be, some welcomed the opportunity to earn some pay, and travel. Peasant Archers are accustomed to using their bow for hunting. These peasant archers are armed with a small bow, knife, and if lucky enough, some armour.

    Retinue Longbowmen
    Many longbowmen sign a contract of indenture with a captain to become part of his retinue or company. The captain then hires out their services to the king. Such men are in effect professional soldiers, and highly skilled archers. They're well armoured and equipped and confident in their own abilities.

    Sherwood Archers
    Hailing from Sherwood forest and trained in the hunt from a young age, these deadly archers have now turned their skills to hunting men. Wielding a longbow made of yew, these archers can spit a man at a hundred paces, this, coupled with their ability to hide in forests means they can lay many a terrible ambush.

    Yeoman Archers
    Drawn from English freeholders and required by the King to be trained in warfare, Yeoman archers are highly skilled ranged troops. Lightly armoured and equipped with a longbow for ranged combat and wielding a large mallet for crushing armoured opponents in melee, Yeomen are also able to lay defensive wooden stakes to help keep enemies at bay.

    Light Cavalry

    Demi Lancers
    Demi Lancers are representative of the trend in the latter medieval period of reducing the amount of overall armour, while improving the remaining armour to protect vital areas, particularly from gunpowder weapons. With less armour and little to no armour on the mount, Demi Lancers are more mobile and cheaper to equip than their fully armoured counter parts.

    Hobilars
    It is thought the term 'Hobilars' comes from the Norman name 'hobby' for the small horses that Gaelic troops rode in Scotland and Ireland. In medieval warfare Hobilars are the English version of the mounted sergeant as they are also clad in padded to light armour and armed with a spear.

    Mailed Knights
    Prominent in Western Europe, encased in mail, carrying a large shield and equipped with lances and swords, these knights are formidable fighting machines, capable of deadly charges and getting 'stuck in' to any melee. Although not as well trained or equipped as the knights that will follow them, they are invaluable heavy cavalry units during the early medieval period.

    Merchant Cavalry Militia
    Well equipped, but poorly trained cavalry men used in most of Europe to protect merchants, provincial towns and main roads. As they poorly trained these units forgo using the lance, which requires specialist training, and fight with a sword. Protected by plate armour these units are very good at riding down archers and infantry.


    Longbowmen

    Heavy Cavalry

    English Knights
    Encased in plate armour, carrying a large shield and equipped with a lance and axe, these knights prefer to fight on foot. Fighting with a lance and an axe betrays their Anglo-Saxon and Norman heritage. Although not the elite of knights, they are more than capable of dishing out pain to their foes when either mounted or dismounted.

    Feudal Knights
    Feudal knights are given land, fiefs, in return for military service. Trained since childhood and protected by heavy mail, and later, plate armour, and trained in using the lance these elite warriors are used to crush and ride down their opponents. Taught to be the epitome of honour and chivalry these knights are known for impulsively charging into enemy ranks!

    Early General's Bodyguard
    These are truly formidable troops whose task it is to guard the army's general. Wearing mail, or early plate armour and wielding lances, these elite troops fear little on the battlefield and make fearsome opponents. Loyal and disciplined this elite heavy cavalry unit accompanies the general wherever he goes on the battlefield.

    Late General's Bodyguard
    The combination of full plate armour, and later magnificent gothic armour, a fully armoured horse and a lance make these elite warriors mobile killing machines. These warriors are the general's personal guard, fiercely loyal and disciplined there is little this unit cannot take on and not come out on top.

    Knights Hospitaller
    The Knights Hospitaler, also known as the Knights of St. John were established following the first Crusade to protect and treat Christian pilgrims to the Holy Land, and are recognisable in their black surcoat with a white cross. An elite and powerful fighting order of well trained knights wearing heavy mail or plate armour and armed with a lance.

    Knights Templar
    The Templars, fearsome and uncompromising warriors famous for initiating the banking system, were formed in the early 1100's, shortly after the First Crusade to protect pilgrims. They were disbanded in 1307, after hundreds of templar's were simultaneously arrested and tortured in France on hundreds of charges including heresy, under orders from the Pope and the King of France, .


    English Knights

    Artillery

    Ballista
    These artillery pieces resemble giant crossbows, on a simple wheeled carriage. They can hurl javelins with great accuracy, and the power of these machines means that their bolts can pierce any armour.

    Catapult
    Constructed of wood and capable of flinging stones large enough to crush a man's head, the catapult was a common site on the ancient Roman battlefield. Now in the medieval era, the catapult is being replaced by newer and more powerful weapons.

    Ribault
    The Ribault, also known as the organ gun due to its many pipes, is a fearsome spectacle on the battlefield. Armed with nine short-ranged barrels, it is often used in the defence of other longer-ranged artillery. Able to fire all nine barrels at once, it makes the enemy think twice before engaging!

    Trebuchet
    The counter-weight Trebuchet is an evolution of the man-powered mangonel and catapults dating back before the 11th century. It has quickly spread throughout the world as an effective siege engine capable of lobbing large wall- crushing boulders. The Trebuchet is also able to fling such things as burning missiles and rotten animal remains to devastate enemy units.

    Bombard
    The first primitive gunpowder siege artillery, bombards were created in China and Western Europe in the early 14th century and spread to the rest of the world by the late 14th century. They are forged from bronze or iron, and designed to fire stone balls that crumble enemy defences. They also shoot inaccurate flaming balls wrapped in pitch-soaked rags, that can incinerate enemy troops!

    Culverin
    The Culverin is a type of bombard and a fearsome piece of artillery, first used in Germany. It utilises advanced metallurgy techniques, superior construction and better trained crews to outrange and outshoot nearly all preceding bombards. Able to fire solid or exploding shots, the culverin is devastating against enemy walls and lethal against enemy troops!

    Mortar
    Resembling the iron bowl from which it gains its name, the Mortar was created to lob shots over intervening walls. Useful in dealing with units skulking behind walls for protection, or to whittle away besieging troops outside your own walls. The mortar's capabilities makes it an excellent siege weapon for both attacker and defender.


    Credits to IGN for the unit guide http://uk.pc.ign.com/articles/744/744444p3.html
    Last edited by Steve2295; November 14, 2009 at 07:17 AM.
    'A soldier will fight long and hard for a bit of colored ribbon.' -Napoleon Bonaparte

    'What's that fluttering in a breeze?
    Its just a piece of cloth
    that brings a nation to its knees.
    What's that unfurling from a pole?
    It's just a piece of cloth
    that makes the guts of men grow bold'
    - John Aggard

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    Comments anybody?
    'A soldier will fight long and hard for a bit of colored ribbon.' -Napoleon Bonaparte

    'What's that fluttering in a breeze?
    Its just a piece of cloth
    that brings a nation to its knees.
    What's that unfurling from a pole?
    It's just a piece of cloth
    that makes the guts of men grow bold'
    - John Aggard

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve2295 View Post
    Comments anybody?
    This is peng stuff i might do a poland guide...

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    I gave it a read, nice guide.

    +rep.

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    added a unit guide


    and thank you very much
    'A soldier will fight long and hard for a bit of colored ribbon.' -Napoleon Bonaparte

    'What's that fluttering in a breeze?
    Its just a piece of cloth
    that brings a nation to its knees.
    What's that unfurling from a pole?
    It's just a piece of cloth
    that makes the guts of men grow bold'
    - John Aggard

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    bump? it's after a month with-out a post :O
    'A soldier will fight long and hard for a bit of colored ribbon.' -Napoleon Bonaparte

    'What's that fluttering in a breeze?
    Its just a piece of cloth
    that brings a nation to its knees.
    What's that unfurling from a pole?
    It's just a piece of cloth
    that makes the guts of men grow bold'
    - John Aggard

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    ressssuuuuurrrrrectiooon! of a recently died forum : P. imma messing kinda.

    its goooood. +rep baby, you rep whore =D

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    Actually Mailed Knights are heavy cav, they got mail armor and lances.

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    Rep Whore me?

    and resurection indeed

    thank you my friend
    'A soldier will fight long and hard for a bit of colored ribbon.' -Napoleon Bonaparte

    'What's that fluttering in a breeze?
    Its just a piece of cloth
    that brings a nation to its knees.
    What's that unfurling from a pole?
    It's just a piece of cloth
    that makes the guts of men grow bold'
    - John Aggard

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    I liked it. Very thorough and interesting.
    I like your picture better. Im a Rams fan also. You from Derby? I lived in Littleover most my life, although now i live in the Peak District....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve2295 View Post
    The barbaric Scots lie to the north
    i find that offensive!

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    Quote Originally Posted by scougall9 View Post
    i find that offensive!

    Yes indeed it could be found offensive. But he just used it to make his text more attractive, and I'm sure that his intention was not to insult anybody.

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    No insults were supposed to be in that sentance. Dutch Devil got it right, I was simply flairing up my writing. In this game the scots are indeed, quite barbaric. Of course modern day Scots arn't any different to English people. Sorry if it offended you
    'A soldier will fight long and hard for a bit of colored ribbon.' -Napoleon Bonaparte

    'What's that fluttering in a breeze?
    Its just a piece of cloth
    that brings a nation to its knees.
    What's that unfurling from a pole?
    It's just a piece of cloth
    that makes the guts of men grow bold'
    - John Aggard

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve2295 View Post
    Sorry if it offended you
    it did not but....
    Quote Originally Posted by Steve2295 View Post
    Of course modern day Scots arn't any different to English people. Sorry if it offended you
    I live in Scotland, and that is far more offensive to most Scots than being branded as barbaric.
    Just come and spend a Saturday night out in Glasgow, you'll know then how totally different they are.

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    thats a good one tbf.

    English arn't that bad I mean, I'm irish so ..

    Saturday night in Glasgow .. with my stab-vest, sure thing
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    that brings a nation to its knees.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve2295 View Post
    Saturday night in Glasgow .. with my stab-vest, sure thing
    Touché
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    Cool guide or whatever it is.
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    Just a quick question as to playing the English, I usually play them and take over the whole of the Brtish Isles then give Caen to the Pope hoping to get an alliance with him. But my reputation always is dubious, even though I do not go to war with any one or sign any trade agreements.
    Is there any way that can build up the reputation so that the Pope will be friendlier and the other factions less likely to declare war?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert The Black View Post
    Just a quick question as to playing the English, I usually play them and take over the whole of the Brtish Isles then give Caen to the Pope hoping to get an alliance with him. But my reputation always is dubious, even though I do not go to war with any one or sign any trade agreements.
    Is there any way that can build up the reputation so that the Pope will be friendlier and the other factions less likely to declare war?

    Thank you for using this thread instead of making a new one
    Maybe it's the difficulty your playing at?
    Anything Hard/Hard and above gives negative reputation every turn I believe.
    Try putting the difficulty down to Medium/Medium

    And on a side note, Don't give the pope Caen! It's your foothold in the Europe Mainland!
    'A soldier will fight long and hard for a bit of colored ribbon.' -Napoleon Bonaparte

    'What's that fluttering in a breeze?
    Its just a piece of cloth
    that brings a nation to its knees.
    What's that unfurling from a pole?
    It's just a piece of cloth
    that makes the guts of men grow bold'
    - John Aggard

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