Khanates of Azerbaijan

[Atabeg]

Map of the Azerbaijan Khanates.

Bordered by Caspian Sea to the east, Dagestan to north, Kakheti and Kartli kingdoms of Georgia to northwest, Ottoman empire to west and the Qajar of Persia to south.

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"The khanates engaged in constant warfare between themselves and with external threats.

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The most powerful among the northern khans was Fat'h Ali Khan of Quba (died 1783), who managed to unite most of the neighboring khanates under his rule and even mounted an expedition to take Tabriz, fighting with Zand dynasty. Another powerful khanate was that of Karabakh, which subdued neighboring Nakhchivan khanate and parts of Erivan khanate. By 1796, Agha Muhammed Khan Qajar raided and conquered Azerbaijan and Georgia. Some khanates made the fateful decision to ask for Russian help, while other Azeris were content with Qajar rule. However, the Russians, who by this time controlled Georgia, had already subjugated most of the khanates in the Caucasus by 1806. The Qajars responded to these events by declaring war, which continued until 1813 when Russians invaded Tabriz."

Some exampeles of architecture, Sheki khans place.

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[clandestino]

Weren't all this khanates just administrative subdivisions of Persian empire which from time to time rebelled against central authority of shahs?

[karo]

Weren't all this khanates just administrative subdivisions of Persian empire which from time to time rebelled against central authority of shahs?

Of course they were only Azeris think differently

[karo]

Then how did Qajar invasions of Khanates happen if it were administrative subdivision of Qajar Persia?

Like said, de-facto independent, in war against Qajars.

So they were rebelling against the empire and please provide sources for your claims I beg you this is the history forum.

[karo]

Source for what? Read the first post.

"By 1796, Agha Muhammed Khan Qajar raided and conquered Azerbaijan and Georgia. Some khanates made the fateful decision to ask for Russian help, while other Azeris were content with Qajar rule. However, the Russians, who by this time controlled Georgia, had already subjugated most of the khanates in the Caucasus by 1806. The Qajars responded to these events by declaring war, which continued until 1813 when Russians invaded Tabriz."

For everything that you claim you need sources.

[Atabeg]

Weren't all this khanates just administrative subdivisions of Persian empire which from time to time rebelled against central authority of shahs?

De-facto independent, in war against Qajar Persia. So I wouldn't exactly say that it was administrative subdivisions of Qajar Persia.

Of course they were only Azeris think differently

Then how did Qajar invasions of Khanates happen if it were administrative subdivision of Qajar Persia?

Like said, de-facto independent, in war against Qajars.

[Atabeg]

Walls of Sheki Khanate.

So they were rebelling against the empire and please provide sources for your claims I beg you this is the history forum.

Source for what? Read the first post.

"By 1796, Agha Muhammed Khan Qajar raided and conquered Azerbaijan and Georgia. Some khanates made the fateful decision to ask for Russian help, while other Azeris were content with Qajar rule. However, the Russians, who by this time controlled Georgia, had already subjugated most of the khanates in the Caucasus by 1806. The Qajars responded to these events by declaring war, which continued until 1813 when Russians invaded Tabriz."

[clandestino]

De-facto independent, in war against Qajar Persia. So I wouldn't exactly say that it was administrative subdivisions of Qajar Persia

I'm under the impression that khanates were firstg created by Persian empire as administrative units and that Persian shah appointed khans, latter khans rebelled against Qajar dynasty.

[Atabeg]

I'm under the impression that khanates were firstg created by Persian empire as administrative units and that Persian shah appointed khans, latter khans rebelled against Qajar dynasty.

True. Khanates in Caucasus to north of Araxes (modern day Azerbaijan Republic) rebelled against the Qajars while to south of Araxes (modern day Iranian Azerbaijan region) remained loyal to Qajars.

Thats also the reason why these former Khanates to south of Araxes are still part of Iran.

[ivan_the_terrible]

On the Russian-language map, I noticed one khanate was named Kazakh Khanate (Казахское ханство). Did it have a connection to central asian Kazakhs, or is it just a coincidence?

[Atabeg]

On the Russian-language map, I noticed one khanate was named Kazakh Khanate (Казахское ханство). Did it have a connection to central asian Kazakhs, or is it just a coincidence?

It has nothing to do with Kazakh people or nation spesifically.

Its name of a region in Azerbaijan (northwest). But its also interesting that most pure blood Turkic people in Azerbaijan are to be found in that area, their traditions etc... And the fact that they are mainly Kypchaks...

(When talking about Qazax region, its alot bigger then Qazax rayon)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qazakh_Rayon

[clandestino]

Doesn't '' kazakh '' just mean something like wanderer or free lancer in Turcic languages?

[ivan_the_terrible]

Interesting... how much of the modern Azeri nation is estimated to be Caucasian?

Doesn't '' kazakh '' just mean something like wanderer or free lancer in Turcic languages?

I've heard this too. Apparently, the Slavic 'Kazak/kozak' (ie Cossack) is from the same root.

[Atabeg]

Interesting... how much of the modern Azeri nation is estimated to be Caucasian?

What do you mean actually?

[ivan_the_terrible]

What do you mean actually?

I mean, in terms of genetics, what proportion of modern Azeris are indigenous to the Caucasus. Like, for example, modern Turks look very mediterranean etc, and are mostly (genetically) the same Anatolians who lived there before the Oghuz arrived.

Is it similar for Azeris, or were local Caucasians (aka Iberians) displaced/assimilated by the Turks?

[Atabeg]

I mean, in terms of genetics, what proportion of modern Azeris are indigenous to the Caucasus. Like, for example, modern Turks look very mediterranean etc, and are mostly (genetically) the same Anatolians who lived there before the Oghuz arrived.

Is it similar for Azeris, or were local Caucasians (aka Iberians) displaced/assimilated by the Turks?

No need to go to ancient times, many North Caucasian tribes have joined Azeris in past. Especially Dagestanians.

To answer your question, yes but perhaps not as much as there are in Turkey.

About the ancient indigenous Caucasian tribes that resided in Azerbaijan, one can't really give an 100% answer if these tribes played any role in formation of modern Azeri ethnic group.

[dogukan]

they probably did

[white-wolf]

Intresting thread.

Were all of them shia, or were there any sunni khanete?

[Atabeg]

Intresting thread.

Were all of them shia, or were there any sunni khanete?

Tabasaran, Balaken-Jar Jamaat, Ilisu, Qazakh was Sunnite.

Derbent, Quba, Shamakhi were the mixed ones.

[white-wolf]

Tabasaran, Balaken-Jar Jamaat, Ilisu, Qazakh was Sunnite.

Derbent, Quba, Shamakhi were the mixed ones.

Thank you for info.

Another question:
Were these khanates followers of Akkoyunlu or Safavids?