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    Now that dvk has fixed the historical events, I tried to write some of my own, and after a couple of CTDs, I finally got the hang out of it. I think these events are a cheap and easy way to add to the immersion of the game, teach players about some aspects of history you often don't find in books, and provide more "new stuff to discover".
    So here is an opportunity for all of you to list the historical events you'd like me to write. I'd appreciate a source of some kind, so I can read about the event and know what I'm writing about (wikipedia is fine, I think). Keep in mind that history is pretty much over when you hit "end turn" for the first time, so unless the event takes place near the starting date, we can't have stuff like "birth of Julius Caesar" or "battle of Carrhae", since these events are likely to never happen in our campaigns.

    Here's what I have in mind so far:

    A Captured Messenger (summer 215BC): Roman soldiers have recently arrested some suspicious, foreign-looking men who turned out to be macedonian ambassadors sent by their king to negotiate an alliance with Romes arch-enemy, Carthage. Although Macedon will most likely soon send other diplomats, the romans are now warned and additional warships have been dispatched to the Adriatic Sea in order to prevent any invasion of Italy by unrefined greek wannabe-Alexanders.

    Lex Oppia (summer 215BC): A roman tribune has instituted a law that clearly forbides any roman woman to show off her wealth in public. These measures were deemed necessary after the war against Carthage on roman soil dragged on, with brutish barbarians ravaging the countryside, forcing many honest italian citizens to seek refuge behind the walls of Rome, and leading to a severe strain on food supply and the roman economy in general. The people are tense, afraid and hungry, and it would have proven difficult to rationalize the many sacrifices they have to make while others seem to continue living so comfortably.

    The Rosetta Stone (summer 196): The high priests of Egypt have ordered a stele to be erected in honour of their king, who has recently granted additional privileges to temples all across his realm. In exchange, the clergy has promised to further support the king and his policies, especially the merciless slaughter of rebellious egyptian peasants. This stele is a little different from others in that the inscriptions that tell of the many kind (and not-so-kind) deeds of the king have been set into stone in several languages. Nobody knows as of yet that this monument will one day become a major stepping stone towards the understanding of egyptian hieroglyphs.

    Trackway in the Bog (summer 146BC): One or two years after the tribesmen on the island of Hibernia have completed the Corlea Trackway, an odd road made out of wooden planks, that same road has already sunk into the bog it was supposed to lead through, pushed down by its own weight. Nobody really knows whether the people there went through the trouble of building one or two miles of trackway for some obscure religious reasons, for the sake of crossing the bog, or for any other reason. Whatever it may be, the locals show little motivation to build yet another one.

    The Road goes ever on (summer 100BC): For ages, the Amber Road has mainly followed the great rivers of eastern Europe, Vistula and Dnjepr, to the ports of the Black Sea, from where Amber was then shipped to the markets of Greece, and even to such far-away places as Egypt. However, with the sudden increase in wealth and importance of the Italian peninsula, the main routes increasingly lead straight South, across the Alps to the Adriatic Sea.
    If this were common knowledge, italic merchants would certainly joke and claim that nowadays, even the stones know where the wind is coming from…

    No more Elephants (summer 100BC):
    Elephants have begun to become an increasingly rare sight in the near east, and it is probably only a matter of time until the last one of them is hunted down for his ivory, for sports, or simply for being a nuisance. Farmers consider this a good riddance, since the big beasts will no longer ravage their fields, while military commanders will curse their bad luck and import foreign elephants at high costs. And some rare scholars will be laughed at for claiming that the world has now lost a bit of its magic.
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    I think you should lose the 'boy-loving' bit in the 'A Captured Messenger' event.

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    I think this is a great idea, bud. However, I don't know if it's all that bad to mix in what 'really happened' with what 'is' happening in one's campaign. Afterall, many of the existing events presuppose the existance of either the Greeks or the Romans, and one may already have wiped them out by the time it occurrs in your campaign.

    I think it would be way cool, as well, to add events from other cultures...as the current ones tend to be either Greek or Roman mostly. Various historical revolts (if they fall within the time frame.....interesting facts about the Celts, Nomads.....maybe not even necessarily having happened at 'X' date, but just popping up with a nice bit of information not provided elsewhere. Maybe "Did you know that...?" kinds of things. There is just SOOO much that could be added to better inform players about the 'Barbarians', for example. Since you and Mulatto joined the team and slapped me into submission about the Celts and Nomads....why, I've actually become rather 'edgee-kated'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dvk901 View Post
    I think this is a great idea, bud. However, I don't know if it's all that bad to mix in what 'really happened' with what 'is' happening in one's campaign. Afterall, many of the existing events presuppose the existance of either the Greeks or the Romans, and one may already have wiped them out by the time it occurrs in your campaign.

    I think it would be way cool, as well, to add events from other cultures...as the current ones tend to be either Greek or Roman mostly. Various historical revolts (if they fall within the time frame.....interesting facts about the Celts, Nomads.....maybe not even necessarily having happened at 'X' date, but just popping up with a nice bit of information not provided elsewhere. Maybe "Did you know that...?" kinds of things. There is just SOOO much that could be added to better inform players about the 'Barbarians', for example. Since you and Mulatto joined the team and slapped me into submission about the Celts and Nomads....why, I've actually become rather 'edgee-kated'.
    Looks like you understand the idea very well. Of course, there is some leeway for argumentation. Even if I have crushed Rome, there are most likely still people living there, ie romans. So it wouldn't be that far-fetched to say that they made a new law of some kind. For instance, I intend to have the Rosetta Stone built by "the ruler of Egypt", not by Ptolemy V of the ptolemaic dynasty.
    But there are limits too. It would be wierd to read about Caesars conquest of Gaul when we have a green death covering half the map. I have seen this in EB, where they have used historical events more extensively than all other mods combined. Every year, they have several pages worth of accurate historical information. But it's all about stuff that will never happen in the campaign, and about people who will never play a role in the campaign. It's just incredibly confusing, really.
    As for the revolts, the issue is similar. If we have an event talking about Spartacus and his rebellion, players will most likely rush to Capua in panic to see how many stacks of slaves there are. But unless we have scripted stacks popping up, they'll be in for a disappointment.
    Instead, I'd rather stick with the style of the vanilla events, and use them for anecdotes and such, "Did you know that...?"-stuff, like you said.

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    I agree....historical 'information' is more valid in RS2 that a given historical 'event'. Not that they are all bad, but the reporting of so many events that never happened in your campaign could be, as you say, a bit confusing. On the otherhand, there are so many other bits of information about things that are just 'informaitive'....."Did you know that the Dacians worshipped some of the Greek gods, and even built a Temple out of wood in their capital that looked like a Greek Temple? Or, "Did you know that the Nomadic version of a 'temple' wasn't really to build anything, but sometimes to just shove a sword into the ground, pour blood on it, and say a few prayers?"...with a bit of info to explain and such.

    In researching the names of various Auxilia units, I found referrences to a 'letter of requisition' from the wife of a Centurion for food and drink required for a big dinner she was going to have....it remains one of the few known documents that detailed what Legionaries ate or had available. Stuff like this is just 'cool info'....and causes no confusion because it's just telling you about something, not 'defining' anything.

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    Yup, we can do that. Although I'd advise to not have more than two events per turn, so it doesn't become as tedious. But yes... deforestation in ancient times... ancient cooking recipes... whatever... ah, so many possibilities.

    Oh and by the way: What on earth? This is the first time there were six team members at once in the forum since... when? Gotta write the date and time somewhere...

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Sloth View Post
    Now that dvk has fixed the historical events, I tried to write some of my own, and after a couple of CTDs, I finally got the hang out of it. I think these events are a cheap and easy way to add to the immersion of the game, teach players about some aspects of history you often don't find in books, and provide more "new stuff to discover".
    So here is an opportunity for all of you to list the historical events you'd like me to write. I'd appreciate a source of some kind, so I can read about the event and know what I'm writing about (wikipedia is fine, I think). Keep in mind that history is pretty much over when you hit "end turn" for the first time, so unless the event takes place near the starting date, we can't have stuff like "birth of Julius Caesar" or "battle of Carrhae", since these events are likely to never happen in our campaigns.

    Here's what I have in mind so far:

    A Captured Messenger (summer 215BC): Roman soldiers have recently arrested some suspicious, foreign-looking men who turned out to be macedonian ambassadors sent by their king to negotiate an alliance with Romes arch-enemy, Carthage. Although Macedon will most likely soon send other diplomats, the romans are now warned and additional warships have been dispatched to the Adriatic Sea in order to prevent any invasion of Italy by unrefined greek wannabe-Alexanders.

    Lex Oppia (summer 215BC): text not yet written, but it's about a roman law that forbade wealthy romans from exposing their wealth too openly, in order to not provoke the poorer citizens, who were starving due to the war against Hannibal

    The Rosetta Stone (summer 196): text not yet written, but it's about an obelisk erected in Egypt by some king. The inscription on it is written in several different languages, and its discovery has therefore been a major stepping stone towards the decryption of egyptian hieroglyphs.

    Trackway in the Bog (summer 146BC): about the corlea trackway, a road in the swamps of Ireland, made out of wood, that was covered by the bog two years after it was built
    Love the idea - If people give me a list of what's already there, I'll write a few!

    But the Rosetta Stone was discovered in 1805 (is it 1805? Napoleonic anyway) by Frenchmen under Napoleon in Egypt. Maybe it was written then, but personally I think that writing it wasn't that important in itself if you know what i mean.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SonOfAlexander View Post
    Love the idea - If people give me a list of what's already there, I'll write a few!

    But the Rosetta Stone was discovered in 1805 (is it 1805? Napoleonic anyway) by Frenchmen under Napoleon in Egypt. Maybe it was written then, but personally I think that writing it wasn't that important in itself if you know what i mean.
    The full list can be found in your rome folder in data->text->historic events

    And there are means and ways to work around the problem with the Rosetta Stone ("little do people know that this monument will one day allow the decryption of hieroglyphs etc"). At least one vanilla event has done the same.

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    Here are the updated files with four additional historic events. The complete texts are in the first post of this thread.
    - A Captured Messenger
    - Lex Oppia
    - The Rosetta Stone
    - Trackway in the Bog
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    What is the precise timeframe of the game, btw? Is it 218 BC to 150/200 AD?
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    More or less, at least our units are based around that time period.


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    Gracchus elected tribune of the plebs in 133BC
    birth of cicero in 106BC
    89 BC, lex popmeia, lets non romans acquire roman citizenship and marry romans
    73-71 BC - Spartacus' slave revolt

    obviously these are just some roman ideas
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    Guys could you also give some thoughts and input into the scripting of minor rebellions, uprisings and incursions please? Obviously you don't need to be able to script but some input would be good.


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    maybe also some decriptions of famous generals fromthe time period something like this( sorry for grammar probably:p my english writing isn't perfect yet)and some names will need editing cause i learned about them in flemmish and dont know if english translation is 100%.
    start with short one

    -Marcus Vipsanius Agrippa (ca.63-12b.c)
    Ally and general of Augustus,44-30b.c.Won the seabattle of Actium in 31b.c against Antonius and Cleopatra

    -Marcus Antonius (ca. 82-30b.c)
    One of the Roman generals who's strive to power led to the fall of the Roman republic.He served under Caesar in Gaul and during the first triumvirate civilwar.He allied himself with Antonius and Lepidus in the 2nd triumvirate (43b.c) after the defeat in battle's around Mutina.He defeated Caesars assasins near Philippi (42b.c).He devided the roman teritories with Octavianus and tried to conquer Parthia,but did not succeed.Hostilities rise between him and Octavianus,so he allied to Cleopatra of Egypt.He sufferd his final defeat near Actium (31b.c) ,he died by his own hand after the battle was lost.

    some short events for scripting
    -186b.c war between Bythinia and Pergamum
    -181-177b.c Sardian revolt
    -154-137b.c Lusitanian war
    -167-160b.c Revolt of Maccabeen
    -132-130b.c The city of Pergamum revolts and becomes Roman province
    -135-132b.c 1st Slave war
    -104-101b.c 2nd Slave war
    -72-71b.c 3rd Slave war/gladiator revols led by Spartacus
    -21a.d Gallic revolt with Julius Florus and Julius Sacrovir
    -89a.d Revolt of Saturnicus
    -139-142a.d revolt of the brigands
    -184-186a.d mutiny in the Brittanic legions
    -66-68a.d Judean revolt(maybe onlymake Colliseum buildable after this)
    -35-52a.d Amenian succesor crisis
    -145-152a.d revolts in Mauretania
    -240a.d revolt Carthago
    -132-135a.d Bar Kochba revolt in Palestinia,134a.d Jeruzalem is reconquered.
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    Some of these look interesting...some general hotbeds of unrest where rebellions could happen would be....

    Lusitania - Lusitanian units (free barbs?) - maybe triggered if a faction captures the Lusitanian settlement
    Judea - again triggered if faction takes Jerusalem and has say 10 more regions than the Ptolemies start with - Judean spearmen, Judean slingers, some other units


    We've written a list of these rebellions out already somewhere but I can't find it at the moment.


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    I love that Judea rebellion.
    Since i been testing Sparta i guess it doesn't need any uprising unless your thinking the helots.

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    Guys, like I said, we shouldn't have events that go against what's happening in the campaign. If there are events about Gracchus, Markus Antonius etc, when they have no chance whatsoever to appear in the campaign, or when the player wonders why Pergamum still doesn't belong to him when an event clearly stated so, that only creates confusion and ruins the mood.

    As far as rebellions go, there were a number of uprisings by native egyptians against the ptolemaic dynasty, especially the one that started in 199 BC (or possibly 197 BC), led by Ankmachis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by swhunter View Post
    I love that Judea rebellion.
    Since i been testing Sparta i guess it doesn't need any uprising unless your thinking the helots.
    Haha, I dont think that the possibility of the Helots overthrowing their Homioi overlords is that great
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    Yes i know!

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    Finally found some time to do an itsy teensy bit of work for RS2, and I used it to update the first post of this thread with two more historical events: The Road goes ever on, and No more Elephants.

    Also, dvk suggested earlier in this thread that we include some anecdotes about how people livied back in the days and such. Here's a suggestion how it could be done that I find quite amusing. When there are several years without any classic historical event, we have an event that reads:
    "Recently, a fragment of the travelogue of the famous roman traveler Marcus Polus was found. It says that (random historical information)"

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