Page 1 of 4 1234 LastLast
Results 1 to 20 of 83

Thread: Lieberman To Block Health Bill

Hybrid View

Previous Post Previous Post   Next Post Next Post
  1. #1
    TestudoAubreii's Avatar Bugger Bamfield!
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    Just north of Shellback.
    Posts
    1,865

    Default Lieberman To Block Health Bill

    Check this out:
    http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/10...y5425530.shtml

    Good ol' Joe is going to block the health care bill, if he doesn't like it. He is not going to say no or yes, he's just going to put a filibuster into play. Doesn't seem kind of fishy that his home state is home to three of the top insurance companies in America? Not only that, he opposes the public option when Connecticut has a public option...introduced by their Republican governor.

    You know what should happen? Obama should pull Reconciliation, the same stuff Bush pulled to get things passed, they only difference would be the health care bill is not illegal and certainly beneficial to the American people. If he were to do that, he would only need 51 votes and to hell with trying to get all 60 on board. He should just hammer through regardless of how unpopular it is. If this new health care reform doesn't work, well then vote the people out who made it happen and change it back. I mean, isn't that why America has a voting system? If you don't like it, vote it out.

    Look, America voted Obama because it's time for change, so why not start the change. Are the people who oppose this actually afraid that a public option just may work, or is it once again all about the Benjamins? This entire thing makes me sick.

    morrisonicus


  2. #2

    Default Re: Lieberman To Block Health Bill

    Joe Lieberman should have gotten sacked from the Senate 10 years ago. One of the most self-serving douchebag Senators of our generation. Don't know why Connecticut hasn't gotten rid of him yet. Does he really think he's that powerful or important enough to make any kind of impact on this? I really don't think so. It's very likely he'll just be politely ignored. The guy simply has no credibility.
    Heir to Noble Savage in the Imperial House of Wilpuri

  3. #3
    B5C's Avatar Campidoctor
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    Burlington, WA
    Posts
    1,701

    Default Re: Lieberman To Block Health Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Future Filmmaker View Post
    Joe Lieberman should have gotten sacked from the Senate 10 years ago. One of the most self-serving douchebag Senators of our generation. Don't know why Connecticut hasn't gotten rid of him yet. Does he really think he's that powerful or important enough to make any kind of impact on this? I really don't think so. It's very likely he'll just be politely ignored. The guy simply has no credibility.
    Do you know why Connecticut hasn't gotten rid of him yet? Because they love him. He did get sacked in the primary. Then he had to create a third party to get his seat back.

    “Nothing could be more dangerous to the existence of this Republic than to introduce religion into politics”

  4. #4

    Default Re: Lieberman To Block Health Bill



    While obviously the character assassination has begun, thats me doing a happy dance that at least some of our representatives are not complete douche bags, socialists, economic morons, or all of the above.
    "When I die, I want to die peacefully in my sleep, like Fidel Castro, not screaming in terror, like his victims."

    My shameful truth.

  5. #5
    TestudoAubreii's Avatar Bugger Bamfield!
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    Just north of Shellback.
    Posts
    1,865

    Default Re: Lieberman To Block Health Bill

    Why are others douchebags when all they want to do is help get millions of Americans health care that they need?

    morrisonicus
    Last edited by TestudoAubreii; October 28, 2009 at 11:34 AM.


  6. #6
    Darth Red's Avatar It's treason, then
    Moderator Emeritus

    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Location
    Boston
    Posts
    7,241

    Default Re: Lieberman To Block Health Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by morrisonicus View Post
    You know what should happen? Obama should pull Reconciliation, the same stuff Bush pulled to get things passed, they only difference would be the health care bill is not illegal and certainly beneficial to the American people.
    This is really getting tiring. Could we actually have a heathcare debate without accusiong the past administration of being "illegal"? Could you supply some examples of this alleged illegal activity and sections of the Constitution that were violated that I can respond to? Otherwise that sounds a bit like, well, what you said...
    Quote Originally Posted by morrisonicus View Post
    That, sir, is a short cut to thinking.
    If he were to do that, he would only need 51 votes and to hell with trying to get all 60 on board. He should just hammer through regardless of how unpopular it is. If this new health care reform doesn't work, well then vote the people out who made it happen and change it back. I mean, isn't that why America has a voting system? If you don't like it, vote it out.
    Perhaps most Americans understand the dangers in the government takeover of private industries.
    Obama started with Government Motors and Chrysler. Now the heathcare industry.
    I am a bit curious now that some Democrats are also opposed to the public option, is this all still FOX news' propoganda or are some rational representitives actually listening to thier constituants and not the fringes of the party.
    Officially Bottled Awesome™ by Justinian


  7. #7

    Default Re: Lieberman To Block Health Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Red View Post
    I am a bit curious now that some Democrats are also opposed to the public option, is this all still FOX news' propoganda or are some rational representitives actually listening to thier constituants and not the fringes of the party.

    it is telling that the dems opposed are the ones taking millions in contributions from health insurance firms....

  8. #8
    Darth Red's Avatar It's treason, then
    Moderator Emeritus

    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Location
    Boston
    Posts
    7,241

    Default Re: Lieberman To Block Health Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by justicar5 View Post
    it is telling that the dems opposed are the ones taking millions in contributions from health insurance firms....
    What is the difference than both Obama and his wife David Axlerod and a few others in Obama's team also stand to make money on a public option considering they are all in the medical field. I don't see the difference. All politicians have thier hands dirty with sketchy contrubutors. That is the nature of the game at this point for both sides. It evens out in my mind.
    Officially Bottled Awesome™ by Justinian


  9. #9

    Default Re: Lieberman To Block Health Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Red View Post
    This is really getting tiring. Could we actually have a heathcare debate without accusiong the past administration of being "illegal"?


    appoint a special prosector and get on with it, a great idea. Or do only dems get saddled with those witch hunts?

  10. #10
    Darth Red's Avatar It's treason, then
    Moderator Emeritus

    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Location
    Boston
    Posts
    7,241

    Default Re: Lieberman To Block Health Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Mythos View Post
    Some of you people can't see beyond your nose. In the name of a ridiculous ideology you are willing to let two of the biggest American companies fail rather than be saved by the government. Just because some idiot told you "government is bad" it does not mean this is a bloody dogma.
    It's dogma that has worked in this capitolistic country for more than 200 years. Why should anything change now. Because someone ran on an empty promise of change?

    Buisness is risk reward. The automakers made the wrong decisions and now want American taxpayers too foot the bill for thier mistakes. No they most definatly should have collapsed. That's how it works. Someone new (not the government) prvate investment could have bought the company at 10 cents on the dollar. Bailing out failed buisnesses is a bad precident to set. Why not all the small buisnesses that are struggling as well. I don't belive in the too big to fail mantra.

    Quote Originally Posted by justicar5 View Post
    appoint a special prosector and get on with it, a great idea. Or do only dems get saddled with those witch hunts?
    AG Holder is already on it. And I'll say that nothing on the CIA or Dick Cheney will ever stick. If there was something on them, I'm sure we would have all heard by now.

    On the opt-out in the public option, I have heard both sides that have read the bill state that there is no actual literachure stating how a State in fact could opt out. Sounds more like lip service to me.
    Officially Bottled Awesome™ by Justinian


  11. #11
    Civitate
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    Scotland
    Posts
    13,565

    Default Re: Lieberman To Block Health Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by morrisonicus View Post
    Why are others douchebags when all they want to do is help get millions of Americans health care that they need?

    morrisonicus
    That, I will never understand.
    Under the patronage of Rhah and brother of eventhorizen.

  12. #12

    Default Re: Lieberman To Block Health Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Phier View Post


    While obviously the character assassination has begun, thats me doing a happy dance that at least some of our representatives are not complete douche bags, socialists, economic morons, or all of the above.
    It doesn't matter what kind of legislation it is, you can always count on Lieberdouche to try to screw it up. His career is centered on opposing legislation rather than proposing or supporting a single thing.
    Heir to Noble Savage in the Imperial House of Wilpuri

  13. #13

    Default Re: Lieberman To Block Health Bill

    what is the point of the fillibuster mechanic btw? I know what it does, but why isn't their a cutoff, a device that says 'you aren't trying to debate his just waffle on till it passes even tho it has majority support'

  14. #14
    Hunter Makoy's Avatar We got 2 words for ya..
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    Dont mess with Texas
    Posts
    5,202

    Default Re: Lieberman To Block Health Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by justicar5 View Post
    what is the point of the fillibuster mechanic btw? I know what it does, but why isn't their a cutoff, a device that says 'you aren't trying to debate his just waffle on till it passes even tho it has majority support'
    Thats what makes a filibuster special, it has nothing to do with debate, it just blocks a vote. You can basically say what ever you want, like a deranged lunatic trying to delay the police from finding the crack in their car, you just can't stop. The filibuster is really a last resort as it is, and I don't think has been used effectively since Strom Thurman, or when that Mr. Smith guy went somewhere.
    Under the patronage of Lord Condormanius (12.29.08)
    "Yes, I know why the leaf is turning yellow. Its a lack of chloroform."

  15. #15
    Erik's Avatar Dux Limitis
    Join Date
    Aug 2004
    Location
    Amsterdam
    Posts
    15,653

    Default Re: Lieberman To Block Health Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by morrisonicus View Post
    You know what should happen? Obama should pull Reconciliation, the same stuff Bush pulled to get things passed
    I really don't understand why he hasn't been doing so already.

    It's clear the Republicans will block everything he does, so what's the use of including them in the discussion?



  16. #16

    Default Re: Lieberman To Block Health Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Erik View Post
    I really don't understand why he hasn't been doing so already.

    It's clear the Republicans will block everything he does, so what's the use of including them in the discussion?
    Because he is not decisive and doesn't want to risk losing the media prestige he has I guess.
    Heir to Noble Savage in the Imperial House of Wilpuri

  17. #17
    TestudoAubreii's Avatar Bugger Bamfield!
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    Just north of Shellback.
    Posts
    1,865

    Default Re: Lieberman To Block Health Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Erik View Post
    I really don't understand why he hasn't been doing so already.

    It's clear the Republicans will block everything he does, so what's the use of including them in the discussion?
    My thoughts exactly. He just needs to hammer it in and get it passed.

    morrisonicus


  18. #18

    Default Re: Lieberman To Block Health Bill

    There are serious things to be concerned about in the bill, but the public option is his main grief?

    The public option is less than 1% of the total bill in terms of costs, and states will be able to opt out of it. Recent polls put public support for the public option much higher than support for the overall bill

    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

    On the issue that has been perhaps the most pronounced flash point in the national debate, 57 percent of all Americans now favor a public insurance option, while 40 percent oppose it. Support has risen since mid-August, when a bare majority, 52 percent, said they favored it. (In a June Post-ABC poll, support was 62 percent.)

    If a public plan were run by the states and available only to those who lack affordable private options, support for it jumps to 76 percent. Under those circumstances, even a majority of Republicans, 56 percent, would be in favor of it, about double their level of support without such a limitation.


    I would respect Liebermans position if it were more in line with the more concerning parts of the bill, however, its seems more like Lieberman has latched on to the part that most concerns those with deep pockets.

  19. #19
    B5C's Avatar Campidoctor
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    Burlington, WA
    Posts
    1,701

    Default Re: Lieberman To Block Health Bill

    You all think it's greed for moderate dems to oppose the health bill?

    Lets see Lieberman blocks the bill because he believes it cost too much.

    This moderate dem does not like it because it adds an option for your abortion to be paid by the US government.
    http://thehill.com//blogs/blog-brief...-happy-with-me

    Democrats struggle to find unity on health plan

    By RICARDO ALONSO-ZALDIVAR

    The Associated Press
    10:50 a.m. Wednesday, October 28, 2009

    WASHINGTON — Democrats are still struggling to find a strategy that will let them push a health care overhaul through the Senate and fulfill President Barack Obama's goal of signing a bill this year.

    A day after Majority Leader Harry Reid announced that the Democratic bill would include the option of a government insurance plan, moderates in his own party lost no time Tuesday in voicing their displeasure. Reid, D-Nev., needs every Democrat to break the filibusters Republicans are vowing to mount. But some of the moderates refuse to say whether they'll stick with their leader on procedural votes, let alone those on the merits of the bill.

    "We are a long way from reaching conclusion," said Budget Committee Chairman Kent Conrad, D-N.D.

    Speaker Nancy Pelosi is in a similar position in the House. Efforts to draft a consensus health care bill for a vote have been stalled for more than two weeks because of disagreements among Democrats.

    There are nine weeks left in the year to deliver a bill to Obama's desk.

    Intense days and nights lie ahead, said Sen. Bill Nelson, D-Fla. Senators who don't like the bill will find themselves the focus of a "prayer session," said Nelson. "They will pray that the retribution of God doesn't come down on them," he joked.

    Nonetheless, moderate Democratic senators who control the balance of power on health care were holding their ground. Republican opposition stiffened, and party leaders announced they would attempt to strangle the bill before formal debate begins.

    Despite the obstacles, senior Democrats cast Reid's draft legislation as a turning point. Sen. Max Baucus, D-Mont., chairman of the Senate Finance Committee, said there is now a "sense of inevitability ... that, yes, we're going to pass health care reform."

    The government insurance option long ago emerged as the biggest flashpoint in both the House and Senate as Democrats try to pass legislation that extends coverage, bans insurance practices such as denial of coverage because of pre-existing medical conditions and slows the growth of health care spending nationally.

    But before any substantive issue can be joined on the Senate floor, Reid's first challenge is to gain 60 votes — the number needed to overcome a filibuster by Republicans — just to bring the bill up, a parliamentary maneuver so routine that a vote is rarely required.

    But Sen. Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, the Republican leader, announced that in this case, even procedural votes will count. That's because, in his view, the underlying bill would "cut Medicare, raise taxes and increase health insurance premiums." He suggested Democrats could expect campaign commercials next year on the basis of the vote and recalled that Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., was ridiculed in his 2004 presidential campaign for having once said he voted for a bill before he voted against it.

    Sen. Tom Carper, D-Del., said he may seek changes on the Senate floor, a move likely to be welcomed by moderates. He backs a government role in states where one or two insurers control the market and premiums are high, along the same lines as a plan supported by Sen. Olympia Snowe, R-Maine.

    That general approach, in which a lack of competition in an individual's state would trigger a government insurance option, "is still alive," said Sen. Kent Conrad, D-N.D.

    While Reid is expected to eventually secure all 60 Democratic votes on the critical first test to bring the bill to the Senate floor, Sens. Ben Nelson of Nebraska, Mary Landrieu of Louisiana, Evan Bayh of Indiana and Blanche Lincoln of Arkansas all declined to say on Tuesday howthey would vote.

    In an indication of the pressure Reid faces, Bayh said the majority leader had agreed to cut an earlier proposal for a $40 billion tax on medical device makers.

    "He significantly modified that proposal in a way that I understand will not impact thousands of good-paying jobs," said Bayh, whose state is home to Guidant Corp., a maker of cardiovascular devices, among other major industry players. Numerous officials said Reid had agreed to reduce the new tax to $20 billion over a decade. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because no announcement had been made.

    In the House, the principal stumbling block is disagreement among Democrats over how to set fees for doctors, hospitals and other health care providers participating in the public insurance plan.

    Liberals want the government to set the rate unilaterally, pegged to the charges the government pays Medicare beneficiaries. Moderates want the government to negotiate with the providers in setting fees.

    Pelosi favors the approach liberals want, but officials say she has all but concluded she cannot gain the necessary majority of 218 votes for it.

    House Democrats also must resolve internal disagreements relating to abortion services and health care for immigrants before they can send the bill to the House floor for a vote.
    http://www.ajc.com/business/democrat...printArticle=y
    Blue dogs for the win.

    “Nothing could be more dangerous to the existence of this Republic than to introduce religion into politics”

  20. #20

    Default Re: Lieberman To Block Health Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by B5C View Post
    You all think it's greed for moderate dems to oppose the health bill?

    Lets see Lieberman blocks the bill because he believes it cost too much.

    This moderate dem does not like it because it adds an option for your abortion to be paid by the US government.
    http://thehill.com//blogs/blog-brief...-happy-with-me



    Blue dogs for the win.

    yup they sure stay bought, like any good whore.
    http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2009...by-insure.html

Page 1 of 4 1234 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •