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    Default The Failure of Brutalism: May It Rest in Eternal Torment...

    For those who are unfamiliar with the term brutalism, here is a good example. One of the seven towers of the Harvist estate, Islington:

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    Now, I could go into a rant about these monstrosities all day long. One looks at the progression of Architecture through the ages, and then suddenly one hits the 50s and 60s, and gets these aberrations coming up, with ignorant twerps like Harold Wilson making enlightening and wise comments like "we must pull down, the Georgian, the Victorian, the Edwardian, and replace them with great towers of concrete".

    Now, I have never in my 48 years met an apologist for these structures. Even the proponents of modernist architecture wince when they see them. For not only do they irk the eyes, they were also built to only the very shoddiest standards. Ronan Point, for example. A gas explosion tore through it in '69, and it was discovered that the wall cavity, instead of being filled with concrete as stipulated in the plans, was filled with domestic refuse to cut costs. This is what we are dealing with here.

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    I mean, look at the things! Yes, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but does anyone see beauty in that^^?

    Not to mention (and here comes the historical bit) the well-known social ramifications of growing up in such a structure. Growing up in a vicrorian two up two down with no plumbing or electrics is bad enough, but the unfortunate occupants of these sorry monsters had it far rougher. The gang/hood cultures that grew up around them were frightening. Of course, that does not mean everyone coming from them grew up maladjusted and wielding a combat knife, but social studies are unequivocal in their damning of these things.

    Do they have any apologists? Does anyone want to defend them? If so, I suggest they have a bloody good argument...

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    Well there isnt any beauty in a lone skyscraper, but there is a kind of majesty in seeing hundreds and thousands of them.
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    ... Modern architecture. 'Nuff said.
    "Romans not only easily conquered those who fought by cutting, but mocked them too. For the cut, even delivered with force, frequently does not kill, when the vital parts are protected by equipment and bone. On the contrary, a point brought to bear is fatal at two inches; for it is necessary that whatever vital parts it penetrates, it is immersed. Next, when a cut is delivered, the right arm and flank are exposed. However, the point is delivered with the cover of the body and wounds the enemy before he sees it."

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    beats the hell out of this
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClothedBarbarian View Post
    beats the hell out of this
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    And is soundly thrashed by
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    Someone who had a run-down version of that ^ would be exactly the kind of person fed up with it's plumbing and electrics, moving to something like ^^^^^.

    ...and then seeing the folly of the decision in another 10 years time, when the block has reached a greater level of dilapidation than the Victorian house.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ClothedBarbarian View Post
    beats the hell out of this
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    That actually looks kind of enticing for a weekender in the jungle.

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    You ahve to have ugly things to contrast against the beautiful, otherwise everything would be "bleh."

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Devil's Sergeant View Post
    You ahve to have ugly things to contrast against the beautiful, otherwise everything would be "bleh."
    I suppose that's one way of looking at it...

    ...On the other hand, America has not been completely over-run the way Britain has!

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    God I hate Brutalism, I wish it would sink beneath the ground and be banished to hell.

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    Modern architecture sucks. It's too much utilitarian.

    Everybody with a soul likes old classicist, baroque, medieval cities.
    I was yesterday in Vienna so I my emotions about buildings are fresh still
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    Why does ancient Rome, a city which was thousands of years old look better than a modern city like London? It's ridiculous, we should be going forwards in terms of beauty, not backwards!

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    Because efficiency is paramount today. Why make something pretty if it isn't going to produce money?
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    Why art? Why culture? Does they produce money?
    Why living? It doesn't produce money!
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    lol

    You sum it up well Odo. The excessively utilitarian culture of today admits nothing that is graceful or good merely for it, or that doesn't serve some clear cut economic purpose. Economics pervades every field of life, art and science to an abusive degree.
    "Romans not only easily conquered those who fought by cutting, but mocked them too. For the cut, even delivered with force, frequently does not kill, when the vital parts are protected by equipment and bone. On the contrary, a point brought to bear is fatal at two inches; for it is necessary that whatever vital parts it penetrates, it is immersed. Next, when a cut is delivered, the right arm and flank are exposed. However, the point is delivered with the cover of the body and wounds the enemy before he sees it."

    - Flavius Vegetius Renatus (in Epitoma Rei Militari, ca. 390)

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    Default Re: The Failure of Brutalism: May It Rest in Eternal Torment...

    Quote Originally Posted by Odovacar View Post
    Why art? Why culture? Does they produce money?
    Why living? It doesn't produce money!
    All, sadly quite true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Odovacar View Post
    Why art? Why culture? Does they produce money?
    Why living? It doesn't produce money!
    Yes, now you have to pay outrageous fees just to get into a building where they keep the art. You have to break the bank to see music.

    And as for living, it does. Because eventually, most people will get a job and give money to the companies and countries.
    I thought about writing something clever, but then I remembered I'm not clever enough.

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    The real irony was that the blocks where supposed to increase population density, but they had to be given enough clearance that if one fell, it wasn't dominoes time, that meant terraces got more people int oa smaller area at a lower cost. Those things are an abomination (tho I like the use a derelict one near me is being put to, practice of military rapid entry tactics, aka blow a hole in a wall and chuck in a flash bang), may they all share that fate.

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    I always liked the Indiana University Library


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    Is this not the direction the left wants to go in the US, with a recentralized urban centers instead of the 'unsustainable' suburbs with their lawns and nice houses?

    We are not evolved to lived stacked on top of each other. We need space.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phier View Post
    Is this not the direction the left wants to go in the US, with a recentralized urban centers instead of the 'unsustainable' suburbs with their lawns and nice houses?

    We are not evolved to lived stacked on top of each other. We need space.
    The HORROR THE HORR-

    Oh wait...
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    An efficient urban design need not be soulless seres of boxes. In contrast the suburban sprawls which are supposedly the epitome of urban planning are some of the ugliest things I have ever seen.

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    Architecture has really hit the rock bottom since the past!
    meh, a little "busy" for my taste. Still, better than a lot of what is out there.
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