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  1. October 26, 2009, 05:34 PM #1
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    Default Are the Sámi part of western European culture?

    The Sámi are one of the indigenous people of northern Europe their ancestral lands span an area the size of Sweden in the Nordic countries. The Sami people are among the largest indigenous ethnic groups in Europe. Their traditional languages are the Sami languages, which are classified as members of the Finno-Lappic group of the Uralic language family, Sápmi is the region traditionally inhabited by the Sámi people. Sápmi is located in Northern Europe and includes the northern parts of Fennoscandia. The region stretches over four countries: Norway, Sweden, Finland, and Russia, historically they also lived in large parts of northe western Russia, eastern Finland and as far south as Hardangervidda in Norway. Genetically they are relatively distant to other populations, but slightly closer to some western european populations than the Finns, they are however not closer related to Siberians or Mongols than any other European populations wich is in contrast to the historically held view that the Sami were of Asiatic and Siberian origin.


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    Would you consider Sápmi and the Sámi people as Europeans and part of western culture?
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  2. October 26, 2009, 05:50 PM #2
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    Default Re: Are the Sámi part of western culture?

    Of course!
    Besides...Kreator's lead guitarist's name is Sami(he's from Finland)
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    Default Re: Are the Sámi part of western culture?

    Is there any western culture? A lot of stuff fits into "western culture" these days, it's an incredible broad term. Both Norway and Spain are part of this culture, despite being quite different culturally. So yeah, I suppose the Sapmis are part of Western Culture.

    But in reality it's a unique culture. It's not like Norwegian, Swedish, Russian or any other cultures.

    I guess it would be more correct to say its part of the western cultural group
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    Quote Originally Posted by SonOfOdin View Post
    Of course!
    Besides...Kreator's lead guitarist's name is Sami(he's from Finland)
    He is the second Finn I know with the name Sami, the other is Sami Yaffa
    but I believe the given name Sami is most common in the middle east and unrelated to the Sami people.
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    I think the Uralic-speaking people of Siberia are linguistically of European origin but mixed up with the local population. The Sami might've developed some of their oriental looking traits simply by living in conditions like that for millennias.
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    Default Re: Are the Sámi part of western culture?

    What about Sammy?
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    Default Re: Are the Sámi part of western culture?

    Even Japan is considered Western these days ...


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    Quote Originally Posted by jankren View Post
    Even Japan is considered Western these days ...
    Thats not really relevant though
    the Sami are a caucasoid people(to use an old outdated term but you know I mean) who's ancestral homelands include a large part of Northern Scandinavia, the Japanese are Asiatic and not native to Europe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jankren View Post
    Even Japan is considered Western these days ...
    not really. It's very very different society from western europe and US/Canada/Australia.
    Have a question about China? Get your answer here.
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    what was western again?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dogukan View Post
    what was western again?
    Western Europe
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    Default Re: Are the Sámi part of western European culture?

    no Sami are not part of "western Europe" as geography clearly shows us.

    any other definition that comes to your mind? Like "awesome white people" ?
    "Therefore I am not in favour of raising any dogmatic banner. On the contrary, we must try to help the dogmatists to clarify their propositions for themselves. Thus, communism, in particular, is a dogmatic abstraction; in which connection, however, I am not thinking of some imaginary and possible communism, but actually existing communism as taught by Cabet, Dézamy, Weitling, etc. This communism is itself only a special expression of the humanistic principle, an expression which is still infected by its antithesis – the private system. Hence the abolition of private property and communism are by no means identical, and it is not accidental but inevitable that communism has seen other socialist doctrines – such as those of Fourier, Proudhon, etc. – arising to confront it because it is itself only a special, one-sided realisation of the socialist principle."
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    Quote Originally Posted by dogukan View Post
    no Sami are not part of "western Europe" as geography clearly shows us.
    Most Sami live in Norway wich is part of Western Europe last time I checked

    est number of ethnic Sami people

    Norway: 100,000
    Sweden 25, 000
    Finland 6,400
    Russia 2000( the actual number of people with Sami ancestry in Russia is probably much higher.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pallantides View Post
    Most Sami live in Norway wich is part of Western Europe last time I checked

    est number of ethnic Sami people

    Norway: 100,000
    Sweden 25, 000
    Finland 6,400
    Russia 2000( the actual number of people with Sami ancestry in Russia is probably much higher.)
    well than Europe is bigger than I thought. When I look at west of Europe, I see Britain, France, Spain, Benelux.
    So it's important if you mean the cultural "western Europe" or geographic one... I mean geographically speaking, when I take European map at my hand...Norway stands closer to middle of europe on east-west comparison.
    "Therefore I am not in favour of raising any dogmatic banner. On the contrary, we must try to help the dogmatists to clarify their propositions for themselves. Thus, communism, in particular, is a dogmatic abstraction; in which connection, however, I am not thinking of some imaginary and possible communism, but actually existing communism as taught by Cabet, Dézamy, Weitling, etc. This communism is itself only a special expression of the humanistic principle, an expression which is still infected by its antithesis – the private system. Hence the abolition of private property and communism are by no means identical, and it is not accidental but inevitable that communism has seen other socialist doctrines – such as those of Fourier, Proudhon, etc. – arising to confront it because it is itself only a special, one-sided realisation of the socialist principle."
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Europe

    Quote Originally Posted by dogukan View Post
    any other definition that comes to your mind? Like "awesome white people" ?

    What makes you think that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pallantides View Post
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Europe



    What makes you think that?
    my senses and geometry...beacuse obviousy, Norway is closer to middle.( eastern border not going further than moscow)
    So it's relative, don't be mad at me....
    "Therefore I am not in favour of raising any dogmatic banner. On the contrary, we must try to help the dogmatists to clarify their propositions for themselves. Thus, communism, in particular, is a dogmatic abstraction; in which connection, however, I am not thinking of some imaginary and possible communism, but actually existing communism as taught by Cabet, Dézamy, Weitling, etc. This communism is itself only a special expression of the humanistic principle, an expression which is still infected by its antithesis – the private system. Hence the abolition of private property and communism are by no means identical, and it is not accidental but inevitable that communism has seen other socialist doctrines – such as those of Fourier, Proudhon, etc. – arising to confront it because it is itself only a special, one-sided realisation of the socialist principle."
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    Default Re: Are the Sámi part of western European culture?

    No I'm more intrested in the "awesome white people" comment you made.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dogukan View Post
    my senses and geometry...beacuse obviousy, Norway is closer to middle.( eastern border not going further than moscow)
    So it's relative, don't be mad at me....
    The geographical middle-point of Europe is in Lithuania. So the laugh is on you. I wouldn't lecture about geography if you consider Europe to end at Moscow. Enough of the semantics, let us move on.
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    So you want your own country or what?

    EDIT: I'm with Ishoss, there is no The European Coulture, or The American Culture. Only stereotypical european cultures, because Europe is filled with Facist countrys(Italy), secularist countrys(France), Capitalists(England, Germany), neutrals(portugal, switzerland). All have had their unique Golden Age and Sàmi's and the Norwegians should make this theirs!
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    Default Re: Are the Sámi part of western European culture?

    I would say no, their culture isn't at all western european. Arguably not even very european. I'm no expert, but looks like their culture has a lot more in common with Eskimos and indigenous northerners in Russia, even if they're technically genetically european.

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