Is God also Satan?

[Modestus]

Why do people who believe in a GOD think that a GOD must be good? Why does a GOD only represent good? why not also evil? Is this just a presumption based on wishful thinking ? Why must a God be only all that is good? Is God also Satan?

Just Curious what the religious perspective is on this.

[Sir Winston Churchill]

ROFL


No.

[Modestus]

I am being serious, I have utter contempt for the concept of a God but I have some respect for the value of religions.

I would assume that any possibility of a God as the beginning of everything would need to wish away the fact that this would also be the beginning of evil. So besides the rather tenuous use of freewill as an explanation for evil any other bogus thoughts?

[Phier]

The question to ask, at least a Christian (I don't know that aspect of others mythology as well) is not is God Satan, but why God allows Satan to do his damage.

As the book of Job shows, God is perfectly capable of doing evil.

So from a Christian perspective, Satan is the great excuse to keep people from needing to blame God for evil.

When a people 'turn' from God in some way, they can blame anything bad that happens as Gods will due to their wickedness.
When people who have not turned from God have bad things happen to them, they can blame Satan.

[cfmonkey45]

The question to ask, at least a Christian (I don't know that aspect of others mythology as well) is not is God Satan, but why God allows Satan to do his damage.

As the book of Job shows, God is perfectly capable of doing evil.

So from a Christian perspective, Satan is the great excuse to keep people from needing to blame God for evil.

When a people 'turn' from God in some way, they can blame anything bad that happens as Gods will due to their wickedness.
When people who have not turned from God have bad things happen to them, they can blame Satan.

I always find that concept interesting. Usually its ignorance on the part of the Christian for a number of reasons. Satan, derived from Hebrew ha-Satan, or the adversary (a title, not a name), was only allowed to tempt, which from time to time included woes and strifes if God allowed it. Ultimately, everything is controlled by God, and I support Augustine's conclusion that only God has the power to intervene, anything else is heresy.



@ OP, somewhat neo-Marcionite, or we?

7I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

[Banana Jelly]

No.


He can do evil things, just doesn't do it without a reason as where Satan (Stalin) (Joking) does it whenever he wants or without a reason.

[★Bandiera Rossa☭]

Satan was actually originally meant to be an angel in submission to god who tested the faith of man, later this was equated with Lucifer/the Devil...

[Morkonan]

Why do people who believe in a GOD think that a GOD must be good? Why does a GOD only represent good? why not also evil? Is this just a presumption based on wishful thinking ? Why must a God be only all that is good? Is God also Satan?

Just Curious what the religious perspective is on this.

God is not Satan. See the name difference? It's there for a reason.

I think a religious person would say that "God" is God. Who are we to judge "God?" Yet, the Bible is full of good things to say about God and also a lot of bad things to say about Satan. Namely, (he) rebelled against God.

Like it or not, Humans have Free Will.

I also believe in "Good" and "Evil" and do not see the lines blurred between the two. We do not live in paradise and this is not meant to be Paradise. In fact, if anything, Christians have a difficult path. Others have an easier path. But, neither path is necessarily created and managed by God. That is up to us. If we screw up, it's our fault. If something bad happens, it's usually just because something bad happened. It's not some divine punishment. The Earth is not here for God to exact divine punishment upon us in perpetuity. Often, if something bad happens, one may find that if one had followed the principles one professes to uphold as a Christian then, it's likely it would not have happened. That's not always true. In times when it isn't, there's where Faith kicks in. You don't simply blame God for every bad thing that happens. I am more of a "Watchmaker" type in my views towards God. It's up to us to find the right path in our faith and tread the narrow and rocky road no matter what happens.

[Pnutmaster]

First, ask the Christian (or Muslim) if Dyeus Pater is a pagan glimpse of God.
Next, clarify that Baal is the Near Eastern expression of Dyeus Pater.
Lastly, trace the etymology of Beelzebub.

[Primvs Sextvs Loverlord]

Why do people who believe in a GOD think that a GOD must be good? Why does a GOD only represent good? why not also evil? Is this just a presumption based on wishful thinking ? Why must a God be only all that is good? Is God also Satan?

Just Curious what the religious perspective is on this.

Whenever God speaks to his chosen prophets secretly, he keeps insisting he is good. Of course, when he orders his chosen people to commit rape and genocide, he's acting for the "greater good".

Anyone that adheres to this creature as a deity is sick indeed.

Also, a greater question still is why you need a God, good or bad. Everything is deductible to man through reason and science. Why do you need Satan? Man has a tendency to do all sorts of stuff - what does the devil have anything to do with anything?

Seriously... theology as a "subject" is just as relevant as palmistry or astrology. It's a complete waste of time. Get over it already. This is the 21st century. The Bible, Quran, Vedas, etc, etc are proven lies.

[persianfan247]

Also if there is a God and he did have all these prophets etc how do we know he isn't lying about all these things and the fact he is all-powerful, maybe he is just really powerful and wants us to believe he is all-powerful.

[royfang]

Why do people who believe in a GOD think that a GOD must be good? Why does a GOD only represent good? why not also evil? Is this just a presumption based on wishful thinking ? Why must a God be only all that is good? Is God also Satan?

Just Curious what the religious perspective is on this.

This is my observation: God is Good and Evil.
But God isn't Satan since Satan is an angel who is banished by God as said so by the Christians but in Judaism it's another story.

[Modestus]

I used the name Satan for dramatic effect.

Would a God have responsibility for the universe that he created? How could evil come into existence without God taking responsibility for its presence ?

The Romans put the arbitrary whim of faith above their Gods recognising I think that even a God must have limitations otherwise it must assume responsibility for everything.

We have created the myth of an all powerful God that is all good and yet at the same time we allow for the possibility of an evil that is somehow outside his control.

[Ummon]

Satan would really like it, but no.

[Ummon]

Satan serves a purpose, but sometimes one's office becomes a habit.

[Kiljan Arslan]

you know I do believe the gnostics belived that the creator of the world was in fact evil.

Than the Yazidis god left the world in care of primarily malak taus who is also at time identified with satan.

So some people actually do believe or did believe what your suggesting.

[Modestus]

you know I do believe the gnostics belived that the creator of the world was in fact evil.

Than the Yazidis god left the world in care of primarily malak taus who is also at time identified with satan.

So some people actually do believe or did believe what your suggesting.

Hmm seems a reasonable conclusion not that it would bother me since I do not believe in a God or that love is real, seems to stem from familiarity, dependence and sometimes with the added complication of lust.

Even though there are people I would die for and I certainly feel this emotion we call love I have my doubts that its is any more real than a God but I feel it nonetheless.

Is our familiarity with the concept of a God enough for us to imagine that a God must also be in love with us or does one illusion grow from the other.

[Ummon]

Gnosticism is satan's religion.

[Kiljan Arslan]

ummm how is it "satans" religion?

[Ummon]

You have to study it, to understand.

Basically, knowing and seeing, are the tools of deception, for limited creatures such as we are. A religion based on knowledge is the opposite of a religion based on love.

The two foremost commandments according to Jesus, are both commandments of love.