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    Alexander the Great has long been credited with being the first to settle the area along Egypt's coast that became the great port city of Alexandria. But in recent years, evidence has been mounting that other groups of people were there first. The latest clues that settlements existed in the area for several hundred years before Alexander the Great come from microscopic bits of pollen and charcoal in ancient sediment layers.
    Alexandria was founded by Alexander the Great in 331 B.C. The city sits on the Mediterranean coast at the western edge of the Nile delta. Its location made it a major port city in ancient times; it was also famous for its lighthouse (one of the Seven Wonders of the Ancient World) and its library, the largest in the ancient world.
    But in the past few years, scientists have found fragments of ceramics and traces of lead in sediments in the area that predate Alexander's arrival by several hundred years, suggesting there was already a settlement in the area (though one far smaller than what Alexandria became).
    Christopher Bernhardt of the U.S. Geological Survey and his colleagues took sediment cores (long cylindrical pieces of sediment drilled from the ground) that featured layers going as far back as nearly 8,000 years ago as part of a larger climate study of the area.
    In these sediment layers, Bernhardt and his colleagues took samples of embedded ancient pollen grains to look for shifts from primarily native plants to those associated with agriculture. They also analyzed levels of microscopic charcoal, whose presence can indicate human fires.
    At a mark of 3,000 years ago, Bernhardt's team detected a shift in pollen grains from native grasses and other plants to those from cereal grains, grapes and weeds associated with agriculture. They also found a marked increase in charcoal particles, all of which suggests that a settlement pre-dated the great city of Alexandria.
    "They're definitely using the landscape," Bernhardt said.
    Interestingly, this idea is also supported in the stories of Homer: In Book 4 of "The Odyssey," there's a mention of a one-day sail from the coast near the Nile to the nearby island of Pharos. This suggests that a port settlement of some sort was already there, the researchers say.
    "Fiction is true," in this case, Berhnhardt said.
    Whether the early settlement was Greek, Egyptian or affiliated with some other culture isn't known. Nor can scientists say exactly how big the settlement might have been.
    "At this point I don't think you can tell much about the people themselves," Bernhardt told LiveScience, adding that archaeologists are interested in learning more about them.
    Bernhardt's findings were presented at a recent meeting of the Geological Society of America and will appear in an upcoming issue of the Journal of Coastal Research.



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    I thought ancient source already states Alexandria was a small town before Alexander came??
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    Yea, I thought it was already there... He was just the one who made it great...
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    It has been known for at least 300 years that Alexandria was built on top of a egyptian settlement/village/whatever. What the hell is this?

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    Yeah, it's been my impression that that was already known. But it's a bit like saying that the Dutch weren't the first to found New York (New Amsterdam) because there were Indians living there already. Moot.



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    Weren't there about 30 Alexandria's by the time he died? Modest chap

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    I think people don't realize how much Alexander was influenced by Homer's works. Many Ancient Greeks knew them all by hard and were highly respected for such a feat.
    He wasn't jealous of any one man but he was jealous of Achilles' glory. Just read at what he did when he was near Troy.
    It is safe to say that he might have seen the land right opposite to Pharos and thought to himself, "hey this is the island that is mentioned in the Odyssey". He knew that this could be a great harbor for his Egyptian domain, which could very easily join Greece to Egypt, as far away from the Nile's river mouth, which couldn't be the best for Navigation, seeing that the ships would have to navigate upriver, if an older Greek colony like Naukratis was selected as the "capital" of the province.

    Therefore this was his opportunity to kill two birds with one stone. One, to have a link of sorts to the mythical heroes he sought to emulate, especially those of Homer's works and second to have a great harbor for Egypt, which would not be dependent on the Nile's whims. What existed prior Alexander in Alexandria, was just irrelevant to him, I think. It goes without saying, however, that Alexander wasn't the first to notice of Alexandrias' advantages as a city and a port.

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    Weren't there about 30 Alexandria's by the time he died? Modest chap
    Most of those were renamed after he died, and would keep be renamed according to whomever was king. Seleukos named many cities after his wife, Apameia, Antiochos did the same. For example, Alexandreia the Furthest was renamed to Antiocheia the Furthest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keravnos View Post
    I think people don't realize how much Alexander was influenced by Homer's works. Many Ancient Greeks knew them all by hard and were highly respected for such a feat.
    He wasn't jealous of any one man but he was jealous of Achilles' glory. Just read at what he did when he was near Troy.
    It is safe to say that he might have seen the land right opposite to Pharos and thought to himself, "hey this is the island that is mentioned in the Odyssey". He knew that this could be a great harbor for his Egyptian domain, which could very easily join Greece to Egypt, as far away from the Nile's river mouth, which couldn't be the best for Navigation, seeing that the ships would have to navigate upriver, if an older Greek colony like Naukratis was selected as the "capital" of the province.
    1. Alexander was not "jealous" Achilles; in fact, according to legend Achilles was the ancestor of his mother side of family, and the sources suggest Alexander's mother had kept reminding him this. Hence, it is more correctly to say Alexander was "admiring" and "following" Achilles, hoping to be similar as his ancestor (which explains why Alexander performed many charity act and loved to charge into troublig spot on battlefield; it had nothing to do with Macedonian warfare but rather, it was Alexander's hope to copy Achilles. Although apartly his successors mistook the meaning and thought every Macedonian commanders had to charge into troubling spot).

    2. The founding of Alexandria was rather interesting; my thought was that Alexander was planning to reopen the contact between Greece and Egypt (as many of his work was trying to connect his empire with water network) by building a great harbour, and Alexandria was suited for that task.
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    Default Re: Evidence Alexander the Great wasn't first at Alexandria

    Some Alexandria's keep versions of his name.

    Alexandria, Egypt
    Kandahar, Afghanistan
    Iskandariya, Iraq
    İskenderun, Turkey

    And other cities that were founded by him but lost their name:

    Herat, Afghanistan
    Jhelum, Pakistan
    Bagram, Afghanistan
    Uch, Pakistan
    Merv, Turkmenistan
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    A question. Would Ghazni be by any chance "Alexandreia Gaziane"? The name has been mentioned by historians but no-one is really sure where it lies. Some have suggested that it was actually Gaza being renamed after Alexander conquered Gaza by siege. The problem with this, is that Gaza retained the name it had, as it is mentioned by the name of "Gaza" by writers who were later than Alexander.

    What do you think? Alexandreia Gaziane could be Ghazni or Gaza?

    I used to think that it was Gaza, see my earlier post...
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...32#post2492132

    Still, having read some more on it, I am starting to think this through.
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