creation vs evolution

[total relism]

i am a young earth creationist i belive that the earth is 6-10,000 years old. I belive this not only because this is what the bible indicates but because of the scientifc evidence thats consistant with it.

here are a few exaples
http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs/4005.asp
http://www.pathlights.com/ce_encyclo...ci_vs_ev_4.htm
http://creation.com/age-of-the-earth

http://www.answersingenesis.org/get-...g-age-evidence
http://creation.com/young-age-of-the-earth-universe-qa
http://www.drdino.com/media-categori...=seminars&v=10

all evolutiost have is radiometric dating that dates living things millions and billions of years old they also go under many assumtions when they date


i belive evolution is false and a faith and belief but not science

science is things we can test observe and demonstarte things we can know

we have never seen a dog produce a nondog or a cat a non cat everything reproduces after its own kind.
we get a large varitie of dogs but all the information was there in the begining never anything new evolving if you want to belive it can happen thats fine but its not science that is faith.
thats all the evidence ever is is variation never anything new evolving.

they point to hundreds of exsample of micro evolution or variation and say its evidence for macro or new things evolving this is false


evolution uses know lies to teach there belief in public school
http://www.drdino.com/media-categori...=seminars&v=10
https://store.creation.com/us/produc...f05763a60278fd
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0972043314


i belive noahs flood was a acual event worldwide that wiped out all living animal humans etc.
i belive we see amazing amount of evidence for that today

http://www.answersingenesis.org/Publ...,5631,229.aspx
http://www.answersingenesis.org/arti...ences-part-one
http://www.icr.org/icr-books/



here are some young earth websites run by phd scientist there are thousands that belive in young earth creation not evolution

http://www.answersingenesis.org/
http://creation.com/
http://www.icr.org/
http://www.creationresearch.org/

[Misery]

Ahh another creationist post, people give it up.


Please use creationism to explain the development of drug-resistant strains of bacteria. Ask your doctor why you need to take all of your antibiotics when prescribed. That is evolution, observable, verifiable and demonstrated in your own body.

Please provide a creationist explanation of sickle-cell anemia’s relationship to malaria, the Peppered Moth, Australian rabbits and myxomatosis, or the presence of gills and tails in the early embryonic stages of virtually all vertebrates (including humans). Use your precious and much vaunted but never demonstrated creation “model” to explain the presence of vestigial hind legs in numerous snakes and whales. Explain why God would have created over 250,000 different species of beetle. Why did God create muscles that allow us to move our ears? What is our appendix for?

There are some 8,600 species of birds so far described and 3,700 species of mammals. 20,000 species of fish are documented out of an estimated 40,000 believed to exist. Known insect species number over 850,000 and this is estimated as being fewer that 1/5 or even 1/10 of the total number in extant. The number of cataloged flowering plant species is over 286,000 and about 4,000 more are cataloged every year. The number of different species of fungi is in excess of 40,000. If you add it all up you get over 1.6 billion different forms of life on this planet. Since over 99% of all life forms that have ever existed are now extinct we end up with a total species number of as high as 16 billion. Please explain why your creator went to all this effort only to give one species any special favors. How did Noah manage to place at least 3.2 billion different life forms on the ark?

Which of Noah’s children were black? Which were Korean, East Indian, Hispanic? Which had blue eyes, green eyes, hazel eyes, brown eyes? Which were albino? Which of Noah’s children had brown hair, black hair, blonde hair? Which of Noah’s children had syphilis, AIDS, gonorrhea, tuberculosis, polio, smallpox? Which of Noah’s children had congenital heart defects?

Please give it up and stop renting on this forum
"Athenaeum Discuss anything related to science here."

Creationism it is not a Science it is faith, Noah is not science he is a comic character just like Jesus Christ. Bible is a comic book nothing else, if you believe in Noah you should believe in Peter Pan and Spiderman

No one needs to defend evolution any more. That hasn’t needed to be been done for over 100 years. If you can’t get with the program, Creationism is religion, not Science. Only the irrational, the intellectually impaired and the incredibly ** can’t see that evolution theories such as theory of change by decent through modification are the only demonstrable means of explaining the wide diversity of life on this planet.

[total relism]

Ahh another creationist post, people give it up.

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Please use creationism to explain the development of drug-resistant strains of bacteria.Ask your doctor why you need to take all of your antibiotics when prescribed. That is evolution, observable, verifiable and demonstrated in your own body.


i agree this is micro evolution no evidence for what i mean macro evolution no new information being evolved here just loss of information. this is what I'm talking about they point to this as evidence for macro this is really there best evidence. but it is not evidence at all.
In all the debates i watch this is usually number one evidence for the evolutes this shows how little evidence they have none for macro



http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/am/v2/n3/antibiotic-resistance-of-bacteria here is a quick layman's article on this

http://creation.com/refuting-evolution-2-chapter-4-argument-natural-selection-leads-to-speciation
http://creation.com/superbugs-not-super-after-all



Please provide a creationist explanation of sickle-cell anemia’s relationship to malaria,



this again is like saying ill cut off my leg so i dont get athletes foot they are both loss of information
no evidence for macro or gain of information

http://creation.com/exposing-evolutions-icon
http://creation.com/sickle-cell-anemia-does-not-prove-evolution



the Peppered Moth,



this is a example of natural selection not evolution no gain of information remained moths 100%
natural selection selects it cannot create if you worked in a car factory and had to take out the bad cars and keep the good how long would it take to build a plane? it would never happen.
natural selection cannot create anything new. survival of the fittest cant explain arrival of the fittest


http://creation.com/the-moth-files
http://creation.com/goodbye-peppered-moths
http://www.drdino.com/media-categories.php?c=seminars&v=10



i recommend these videos that answer all these questions about bacteria resistance natural selection peppered moth etc.
http://www.answersingenesis.org/PublicStore/product/Code-of-Life-The,5553,229.aspx
http://www.answersingenesis.org/PublicStore/product/Origin-of-the-Species,4848,229.aspx
http://www.answersingenesis.org/PublicStore/product/Molecular-Evidence-for-Creation,5583,190.aspx




Australian rabbits and myxomatosis,



not sure why this is a problem sounds like a virus right? why is this not consistent with creation ?



or the presence of gills and tails in the early embryonic stages of virtually all vertebrates (including humans).


I'm glad you brought this up this is what Darwin said was the best evidence for his theory at one time.
this is one of those known to be false but still taught evidences for evolution

did you know this was proven wrong in the 1800s? Ernst Hankel faked drawings was convicted by his own university Jena in Germany for lying. doctors new write away they were frauds he wanted evidence for evolution so he made it up. still taught today in some school textbooks.

we dont have gills or tails


http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/2007/03/14/fishy-gill-slits
http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v14/i3/surgeon.asp
http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/cfol/ch1-development.asp
http://www.pathlights.com/ce_encyclopedia/sci-ev/sci_vs_ev_16.htm


http://www.drdino.com/media-categories.php?c=seminars&v=10 learn all about it the history of this claim here



Use your precious and much vaunted but never demonstrated creation “model”



a test of a model is does it make predictions i will do another post later with many predictions from the creation modal all correct and consistent with science and none are evolution predictions. to show creation model makes much better sence of the world around us than evolution does. it is getting late here tonight so i will do this weekend sometime





to explain the presence of vestigial hind legs in numerous snakes and whales.



first off if true this is the opposite of evolution loss of information not gain. and cannot be evidence for evolution


they both have functions they are not for walking.
the whales are atched to muscles without the whale Carnot reproduce there different on male and female different bones.
have you ever seen then there little tiny like 1 inch bones purposively 60 ton whales walked around on 1 inch bones?



Hip bones in whales

These bones are alleged to show that whales evolved from land animals. However, Bergman and Howe point out that they are different in the male and female whales. They are not useless at all, but help penis erection in the males and vaginal contraction in the females.




Explain why God would have created over 250,000 different species of beetle.



I'm not sure he did maybe many kinds that repopulate fast survive easy I'm not sure how is this in any way evidence for evolution or against creation?



Why did God create muscles that allow us to move our ears?


you have some very odd attacks I'm not sure how this proves evolution or disproves creation




What is our appendix for?


this is another false information supposed proof of evolution

this again would be loss of information the opposite of evolution. evolutist once told us we have 180 vestigial structures in our body we have know fond functions for all 180



appendix is part of the immune system without you have higher risk of getting many diseases it also is a safe house for good bacterias in the stomach


2 - The Appendix.This is the classic "useless" organ of evolutionary theory. Science recently discovered that man needs this organ; it is not useless after all. It helps protect you from gastrointestinal problems in the lower ascending colon. The appendix is now known to be an important part of what is called the reticulo-endothelial system of the body. Like the tonsils, the appendix fights infection.
"There is no longer any justification for regarding the vermiform appendix as a vestigial structure."—*William Straus, Quarterly Review of Biology (1947), p. 149

According to *Science News, March 20, 1971, both the tonsils and appendix are now believed to guard us against Hodgkin’s disease



http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v3/i1/appendix.asp lists many more functions

http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v26/i3/vestigial.asp



There are some 8,600 species of birds so far described and 3,700 species of mammals. 20,000 species of fish are documented out of an estimated 40,000 believed to exist. Known insect species number over 850,000 and this is estimated as being fewer that 1/5 or even 1/10 of the total number in extant. The number of cataloged flowering plant species is over 286,000 and about 4,000 more are cataloged every year. The number of different species of fungi is in excess of 40,000. If you add it all up you get over 1.6 billion different forms of life on this planet. Since over 99% of all life forms that have ever existed are now extinct we end up with a total species number of as high as 16 billion. Please explain why your creator went to all this effort only to give one species any special favors.




god created us in his image to rule over the fish birds animals etc. he created them for him and us like the stars etc this is more of a bible lesson i want to talk about science.
Is it more scientific to believe in creation or evolution?




How did Noah manage to place at least 3.2 billion different life forms on the ark?


first he didn't have to take the fish insects plants that brings it down to almost nothing compared to your numbers. god didn't say take species he said kinds dog kind cat kind etc
the smallest suggested size for the ark could hold 125,000 sheep sized animals only 25,000 known species of mammals birds reptiles amphibians living or extinct avg size much smaller than sheep Noah would have taken babies or adolescent for many reasons suggested creationist kinds around 10,000 to 16,000 there was plenty of room



http://www.answersingenesis.org/PublicStore/product/Noahs-Ark-A-Feasibility-Study,4605,354.aspx

http://creation.com/how-did-all-the-animals-fit-on-noahs-ark




Which of Noah’s children were black? Which were Korean, East Indian, Hispanic? Which had blue eyes, green eyes, hazel eyes, brown eyes? Which were albino? Which of Noah’s children had brown hair, black hair, blonde hair? Which of Noah’s children had syphilis, AIDS, gonorrhea, tuberculosis, polio, smallpox? Which of Noah’s children had congenital heart defects?



wow your way off on your assumptions
http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/am/v3/n2/four-women-boat-kids

http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/nab/are-there-different-races


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Please give it up and stop renting on this forum
"Athenaeum Discuss anything related to science here."


i think this has been a rant and your not understanding facts this is belief vs belief and i would love to talk science





Creationism it is not a Science it is faith,



i agree but evolution is faith also thats kinda what im saying




Noah is not science he is a comic character just like Jesus Christ.



this is your opinion which is not science but a belief you cannot prove this i think the science gives me reason to believe this science is why I'm a Cristian today.




Bible is a comic book nothing else, if you believe in Noah you should believe in Peter Pan and Spiderman



again this is your belief what evidence do you have that creation is not true ? or what evidence do you have for me to believe this whole universe came from nothing or that evolution is true in anyway do you have one scientific fact you can give me your best?




No one needs to defend evolution any more. That hasn’t needed to be been done for over 100 years. If you can’t get with the program,



its been 150 years maybe you dont feel a need to defend it but if you want me to believe as you do i dont take things just on faith i need some kind of scientific evidence to back up my belief not just blind faith.



Creationism is religion, not Science.



so is evolution

Only the irrational, the intellectually impaired and the incredibly ** can’t see that evolution theories such as theory of change by decent through modification are the only demonstrable means of explaining the wide diversity of life on this planet

Long quoted articles, multiple videos, and large pictures should be posted in spoilers. -- VP


yes i see your faith in that belief but no evidence thousands of scientist believe in a young earth creation

[Sphere]

How many atheist scientist believe in young earth creation?


Creationism is belief not science. But you can try praying to god to get rid of the H1N1 virus He created last year, I'll get the vaccine, we'll see which method works better.

[total relism]

How many atheist scientist believe in young earth creation?
im guessing none they use evolution to get ride of a creator why would they than believe in one?

good to see you sphere you didn't reply to my American history post



Creationism is belief not science.
i agree but so is evolution



But you can try praying to god to get rid of the H1N1 virus He created last year, I'll get the vaccine, we'll see which method works better.

I'm in no way getting the vaccine you should think twice yourself. there is mercury and unknown problems with it that can cause problems for you the creators wont take it because of the unknown side effects. Besides i think i already had it. no worse than the regular flu 26,000 people die a year from regular flew
barely any are dying from this.
90 kids are out of a elementary school none are serious and there suppose to be suscptable
also death disease etc came as a result of separation from god god did not make the swine flu a fallen world did.

Ive watched around 30 debates with PhD professes evolutist who have no evidence for evolution do you?

No you haven't or you slept through them.

Here is a single example.

http://scienceblogs.com/loom/2008/06..._evolution.php

Macro evolution, happening under complete observation.

i dident get the write link it had nothing on there please try again

here are the debates i own and have watched

http://creationresearch.org/Merchant...roduct_Count=0

http://shopping.drdino.com/category-...d/36/nm/Debate
https://store.creation.com/us/product_info.php?

products_id=728&osCsid=809bad3c3b5fdf57d552e57bf9518e34

https://store.creation.com/us/produc...52e57bf9518e34

[Phier]

also death disease etc came as a result of separation from god god did not make the swine flu a fallen world did.

And we are done....

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[Phier]

I got a PM.

The PM was to come see this thread and have fun with it.

Seriously though, I can't. This isn't a scientific discussion, this is you throwing down a gauntlet of scientific ignorance. You will be the rock of faith while waves of logic crash over you. By announcing you are a young earth creationist you have said 'I don't care about evidence, I have my belief and evidence will be provided for it as I like to interpret it.'

Really I wish you the best.

[total relism]

I got a PM.

The PM was to come see this thread and have fun with it.

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i am very glad you came i love discussing this stuff with evolutionist





Seriously though, I can't. This isn't a scientific discussion, this is you throwing down a gauntlet of scientific ignorance. You will be the rock of faith while waves of logic crash over you.





this is why i love talking with people like you many attacks but not really anything scientific. Ive watched around 30 debates with PhD professes evolutist who have no evidence for evolution do you?


i dont claim to know everything but i still have not seen any evidence for evolution that a PhD creationist cant refute



By announcing you are a young earth creationist you have said 'I don't care about evidence, I have my belief and evidence will be provided for it as I like to interpret it.'




this is what you believe i believe in a young earth because of the evidence i questioned all claims evolutionist should do the same.
by the way what is your best evidence for evolution?

i think the scientific evidence points to a young earth not old what makes you confident the earth is old? radiometric dating?

R

eally I wish you the best.

Long quoted articles, multiple videos, and large pictures should be posted in spoilers. -- VP




thank you, im usually very outnumbered but thats kinda why i come many have never herd the information i can show to people

[OSDEA7]

Long quoted articles, multiple videos, and large pictures should be posted in spoilers. -- VP




thank you, im usually very outnumbered but thats kinda why i come many have never herd the information i can show to people

Your not alone.
I believe in creation.Yes we are out numbered.The Bible says we will be.Keep your faith.Evolution is a lie to discredit the Bible.There is no proof showing Evolution changes in animals or man.There are always missing links to show that evolution has taken place.(Yeah i know i will hear a lot of crap about my but very not alone opinion).But it's my right.

[Playfishpaste]

Thousands of scientists?

[total relism]

Thousands of scientists?

does this mean you think im lying?


http://www.creationresearch.org/ over 1 thousand members with scientific degrees this is just one organisation
650 with phd


http://www.creation.or.kr/ at one point had 2,000 phd with 200 non phd
http://www.dissentfromdarwin.org/ not creation but scientist who dont belive in evolution last i herd over 800

http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/bios/ list of some creation scientist

http://www.answersingenesis.org/ run by many phd scientist
http://creation.com/ run by many phd creation scientist
http://www.icr.org/ run by many phdcreation scientist

there are many more but hopfully this will show as a exsaple

[Playfishpaste]

does this mean you think im lying?


http://www.creationresearch.org/ over 1 thousand members with scientific degrees this is just one organisation
650 with phd

Don't see any list of PhD members you speak of, though the board of directors has some: http://www.creationresearch.org/vacrc/vacrc.html

Nice little shack they have there too. I guess graduating from a bunch of state universities and doing next to nothing with your time (except publishing philosophy of science papers and googling) is considered being a scientist these days.

http://www.creation.or.kr/

at one point had 2,000 phd with 200 non phd
http://www.dissentfromdarwin.org/ not creation but scientist who dont belive in evolution last i herd over 800

A korean tabloid website with yet another complete lack of a listing of scientists, nice, and a website full of a couple of people who are skeptical of darwinian evolution, who have nothing to do with creationism.

http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/bios/

list of some creation scientist

http://www.answersingenesis.org/ run by many phd scientist
http://creation.com/ run by many phd creation scientist
http://www.icr.org/ run by many phdcreation scientist

Lol answers in genesis, nice try.

Also, you should notate that there's never been such a thing as a "creation" scientist. Since "creationology" is not a field of science.

there are many more but hopfully this will show as a exsaple

It absolutely doesn't at all.

[total relism]

Don't see any list of PhD members you speak of, though the board of directors has some: http://www.creationresearch.org/vacrc/vacrc.html


600+ voting scientists of the Creation Research Society (voting membership requires at least an earned master's degree in a recognized area of science).

650 masters as well sorry i was wrong thought PhD but PhD and master many more with bachelors etc.





Nice little shack they have there too.

they do not have the benefit of tax money they are privately funded there size of building has nothing to do with truth



I guess graduating from a bunch of state universities and doing next to nothing with your time (except publishing philosophy of science papers and googling) is considered being a scientist these days.

are you talking about me about goggling i never claimed to be a scientist

also many of these members have published many articles in secular journals non origins related and have made successful predictions discoveries etc.


[URL="http://www.creation.or.kr/"]

A

korean tabloid website with yet another complete lack of a listing of scientists, nice, and a website full of a couple of people who are skeptical of darwinian evolution, who have nothing to do with creationism.


look at list over 800 i never said this list was creationist just scientist who dont agree with the theory.


http://www.answersingenesis.org/Home/Area/bios/ many others also but not on these list i showed just examples


http://www.liberty.edu/ there are many Cristian collages with young earth scientist

creation magazine does a new interview every subscription with a young earth PhD scientist so far Ive only seen one thats on any of these list the rest work in research in random places


http://creation.com/creation-magazine


http://creation.com/journal-of-creat...l-journal-/-tj this perr review journal will feature people around the world not on this list



Lol answers in genesis, nice try.


what do you mean nice try?

http://www.answersingenesis.org/outreach/speakers/ a list of there speakers there is at least 11 PhD plus others. I know thats not a whole lot


http://www.answersingenesis.org/worldwide there is also anwsers worldwide but im not familiar with them




Also, you should notate that there's never been such a thing as a "creation" scientist. Since "creationology" is not a field of science.

It absolutely doesn't at all.

its commonly reefed to as creation science search for evidence for creation flood refuting evolution ets



i cannot track down every creation scientist in the world

[Playfishpaste]

its commonly reefed to as creation science search for evidence for creation flood refuting evolution ets

Eh? No it isn't, not in the scientific community anyway. Tell me, what is the "scientific theory of creationism" and what predictions and testable hypotheses does it contain?

i cannot track down every creation scientist in the world

You could at least track down one. Thus far the best you've done is some guys with PhD's in biology and too much time on their hands. Show me one of their peer reviewed journals proving a "theory of creation science" and then you're golden.

[Phier]

Ive watched around 30 debates with PhD professes evolutist who have no evidence for evolution do you?

No you haven't or you slept through them.

Here is a single example.

http://scienceblogs.com/loom/2008/06..._evolution.php

Macro evolution, happening under complete observation.

[total relism]

Gwen: If he was the Son of God and made all those miracles
Gwen: There *must* have been miracle stories from his younger years
Gaidin: He changed water to wine as a teenager.
Gwen: I'm sure.
Gwen: Mary: "Where did you get that alcohol?! Did you steal it?"
Gwen: Jesus: "Uhh... no.. I.. uh..."
Gwen: Commence biggest lie ever.

please stay on topic about creation vs evolution

this is what people do when they have no scientfic argument


jesus dident start his ministrie till he was 30 for reasons but you would have to acually read the bible to find out

G

od kills people and it's not murder. But it's ok. Because they were warned. They weren't really bothering anyone, except for God, but that's a big no-no when you got a volatile wackjob omnipotent with an itchy trigger finger



god judges he is just he must judge he hates sin if sin was always around and he did not judge there would be no hevan there would always be death sufering etc they wernt really bothering anyone? you would not say that if bad things were hapining to you.
in jericho the people were sacraficing all first born babies to there god which was a half man half bull furnace they were killing children spreading there religon of killing firstborns etc they were comiting adultery in the temple god gave them 40 years to repent but they chose not to they knew what would happen.
god hates death and wants noone to die he weeps with us even when animals die but he is just and must judge sin

And we are done....

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what do you mean are we done? i was a athist who belived in evolution now a creatiost because of the science so these pictures mean nothing to me. it is the evolutist who have greater faith than i do i belive

this is you throwing down a gauntlet of scientific ignorance. You will be the rock of faith while waves of logic crash over you.

Really I wish you the best.

how is it logical to think that the whole universe came from nothing? this never happens and is not logical.
why should i believe that one accident our brains can properly understand another accident the big bang? how can matter acted on by mutation only for a survival advantage produce laws of logic? this is illogical matter cannot do this were did everything come from?
if evolution is true there is no free will and you only believe what you do because of millions of years of mutation and chemical reactions. i only believe in creation because my chemicals are acting different. how can we know either of us is right how can we know we are acutely knowing the world around us only if the bible is true does this make sence
i think science makes perfect sense in a creationist view god created us and this universe for us to understand it makes sense that our sense's hearing memory logic would come from god to be able to understand the universe around us.

[Gaidin]

Gwen: If he was the Son of God and made all those miracles
Gwen: There *must* have been miracle stories from his younger years
Gaidin: He changed water to wine as a teenager.
Gwen: I'm sure.
Gwen: Mary: "Where did you get that alcohol?! Did you steal it?"
Gwen: Jesus: "Uhh... no.. I.. uh..."
Gwen: Commence biggest lie ever.

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please stay on topic about creation vs evolution

this is what people do when they have no scientfic argument


jesus dident start his ministrie till he was 30 for reasons but you would have to acually read the bible to find out



od kills people and it's not murder. But it's ok. Because they were warned. They weren't really bothering anyone, except for God, but that's a big no-no when you got a volatile wackjob omnipotent with an itchy trigger finger



god judges he is just he must judge he hates sin if sin was always around and he did not judge there would be no hevan there would always be death sufering etc they wernt really bothering anyone? you would not say that if bad things were hapining to you.
in jericho the people were sacraficing all first born babies to there god which was a half man half bull furnace they were killing children spreading there religon of killing firstborns etc they were comiting adultery in the temple god gave them 40 years to repent but they chose not to they knew what would happen.
god hates death and wants noone to die he weeps with us even when animals die but he is just and must judge sin

Long quoted articles, multiple videos, and large pictures should be posted in spoilers. -- VP

I have fun with another member's joke and the best you can do is respond to my snarky signature? Does this mean that now that I've posted this you'll respond to my sig again?

[total relism]

I have fun with another member's joke and the best you can do is respond to my snarky signature? Does this mean that now that I've posted this you'll respond to my sig again?

i am sorry i thought that was a atack on my beliefs sorry

[Ummon]

Ive watched around 30 debates with PhD professes evolutist who have no evidence for evolution do you?

No you haven't or you slept through them.

Here is a single example.

http://scienceblogs.com/loom/2008/06..._evolution.php

Macro evolution, happening under complete observation.

Cool link, it earns Phier more rep.

Three comments:

1) move the thread to thema devia or something: young earth creationism at best is not science.
2) realize that [user]total relism[/user] is an alt of someone trying to ridicule real religious people who have a brain and can see that evolution is a very succesful scientific theory.
3) have a nice day everyone.

[total relism]

Ive watched around 30 debates with PhD professes evolutist who have no evidence for evolution do you?

No you haven't or you slept through them.

Here is a single example.

http://scienceblogs.com/loom/2008/06..._evolution.php

Macro evolution, happening under complete observation.

this is bothering me because i cant see what there talking about and i dont want anyone to think they have evidence please someone link me or tell me what it is please