LBGT refers to Lesbians,Bisexuals,Gays and Transgender people
I would like to know how many in TWC support their social movement,I support their rights
LBGT refers to Lesbians,Bisexuals,Gays and Transgender people
I would like to know how many in TWC support their social movement,I support their rights
I am against.
can this thread be merged with the euthanasia thread?
jokes aside.. i can support the lesbian movement but only if they live their sexuality in public. also fat and ugly women should not qualify to be lesbian. thats just wrong.![]()
Last edited by Ahlerich; October 21, 2009 at 06:30 AM.
so its OK to be a lesbian, so long as their attractive and provide you with sexual stimuli, but you don't support equal rights for them, or millions of other gay people? How nice...
Not only do I support, but have have been an active campaigner and lobbyist in favour of them for the last 5 years.
Lesbians are OK as long as they are attractive and provide me with sexual stimuli. Gays are actually a good thing, if more guys become gay there will be more women. But they should have tags on them, like small pink triangles, so that you know who they are!
I am going to be the only homosexual here who opposes them.I don't believe that government has any right, obligation, or reason to delve into affairs such as that. By this, I mean that government should have nothing to do with defining marriage in any way, nor should it have gay "hate crime" laws. Basically, I think government should just leave gays alone - and everyone else, for that matter. If a company doesn't want to hire someone because he's a big flamboyant queen, that should be their right, and they will hire and fire whoever they want. I can imagine working for a megacorporation, being called into the Top Floor one day, and being told "Sorry, but we found out you're gay. Be out by 4 o'clock".
I wouldn't mind, because that is the right of individual, private institutions; they shall govern themselves as they wish.
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How do you define LBGT rights?
I support human rights for everyone regardless of race, religion or ethnicity. This mean that I think that same sex couples should have the same legal opportunities to get married as everyone else. I do not however support the idea that religious congregations should be forced to marry them, it should be up to each religious congregation to decide if they want to marry only certain types of couples.
In Sweden certain lobbyists also demand that lesbian couples should have insemination counted as public healthcare (i.e. it becomes state funded). I am viciously opposed to this proposal becuase I think that public healthcare only should be given in order to treat diseases. Being homosexual is not a disease or disorder and does not affect the biological fertility of the woman. A lesbian couple wanting a child should therefore either pay the price themselves or manage an arrangement with a sperm donor.
Edit: I also loath the cult of lesbians some males engage in. Lesbian couples have made their choice and this kind of pathetic sleazy porn inspired cult of them is just as offensive as someone actively hitting on your girlfriend.
Last edited by Adar; October 21, 2009 at 07:13 AM.
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The federal government does not have any legal authority to define marriage, but it is also not an implied power of states to restrict rights to certain groups of people. So I feel that legislation that simply 'protects' your right might be a necessity simply because a lot of state governments have no sense on what is constitutional.
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I am not speaking in terms of states, nations, or municipalities at the moment. My focus is on individual human beings and their actions, free from any governmental legislation, at least on the gay issue. "Hate crime" laws, for example, are immoral to me because they basically punish a thought or opinion. I say that you punish the idiot for beating someone up, regardless of whether the victim was gay or not. Who cares what the assault perpetrator thought about the victim? I would definitely plea, in court, that the person who assaulted me not be given extra time for a "hate crime", even if he had railed against "fags" his whole life.
The concept of "gay rights" annoys me. There are human rights, and there is freedom. That's it!
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But you cannot achieve any kind of specific goals arguing for human rights, since human rights encompasses so many issues and just about everyone disagrees about what human rights exactly are.
I mean, I don't blame you for not trusting government intervention to make your life any easier, but I don't feel you should be inclined to accept the current status quo when it comes to your rights. Just my perception is that gays should not be treated as exceptional, but you also should not be treated as depreciatory.
Last edited by Admiral Piett; October 21, 2009 at 07:48 AM.
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How are gays treated negatively, then? Gays have all the rights of any other human beings in the West (America, in particular). The "status quo" regarding "my" rights is perfectly fine, if you ask me. Marriage is not a human right. There are no "Gays Only" drinking fountains, for Christ's divine sake.![]()
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LBGT rights is a misnomer imo, since those rights should simply be human rights.
And (We sent) Lut when he said to his people: What! do you commit an indecency which any one in the world has not done before you? Most surely you come to males in lust besides females; nay you are an extravagant people. And the answer of his people was no other than that they said: Turn them out of your town, surely they are a people who seek to purify (themselves). So We delivered him and his followers, except his wife; she was of those who remained behind. And We rained upon them a rain; consider then what was the end of the guilty.”[7.080-84]
"I disapprove of what you do, but I will defend to the death your right to do it."![]()
(...) and that unfortunate People were afterwards forced to undergo the utmost Miseries of a Siege, in their Capital City of Barcelona; during which, great Multitudes of them perished by Famine and the Sword, many of them have since been executed; and great Numbers of the Nobility of Catalonia, who, for their Constancy and Bravery in Defence of their Liberties, and for their Services in Conjunction with Her Majesty and Her Allies, had, in all Honour, Justice, and Conscience, the highest Claim to Her Majesty's Protection, are now dispersed in Dungeons throughout the Spanish Dominions.
-Journal of the House of Lords: volume 20: 1714-1717, pp. 136-144.