Norse Roster III Overhaul Mod

[Kjertesvein]

Based on my further research (with a danish Ma Historian at University of Denmark) into Scandinavian units and recruitment (and administrative behaviour). I'm planning to change a few things regarding Danish and Norwegian roster to give Denmark a few more pleasant units, while making the Norwegian roster "complete". This may also free up some totally unhistorical unit slots. I may also have to change some unit descriptions:

Unit descriptions:

Peasant Spearmen (Vanilla?), renamed to Karlar.
Karlar, meaning a men. Karlar are freemen, basically made up of common farmers
called Bondir. From the local thing, they hold loyalty to a Herse(Chieftain), Hauld farmer or Vaepner,
who would again swear loyalty to a riddere(knight), Lendman(Storman) or King.
They were not part of a tenant, and stood more freely then any other European
farmer. As a farmer one had the right to pay mannebot(fines) for some
types of offences, rather than physical punishment. For a minor offence was fine
man 3 mark or the equivalent 321.48 grams of silver.
These trained men are armed with a simple spear and a round shield.

Viking Raiders (Vanilla), renamed to Hauld Drengr or Hold Drengr.
Hauld (or Hold) is a head farmer whose family had been on a farm for six
generations or more. Higher status as a free man, was only acquired if they were
to become Herse (Chieftain) or was taken into nobility. As a Hauld one had the right to pay mannebot(fines) for some types of offences, rather
than physical punishment. For a minor offence was 6 mark or the equivalent
643.14 grams of silver. These men were the head farmers of a
collections of minor farmers, and held considerable authority within the local
thing, and therefor could assemble a household of dedicated drengr (warriors).
These men are armed with a one handed war axe, mail and a sturdy round shield.

Leiðangr (Raaka)

Leiðangr is a form of Norse army designed for war in foreign realms, consisting of
common farmers that are levied into the army. According to law, they are equipped
with a spear and shield, helmet and an occasional aventail. Levy armies form the
backbone of Norse armies as professional troops were scarse and seldom needed
thus the quality of leiðangr is better than an average European levy. Leiðangr are
capable of forming shield wall, which was a typical form of fighting during the earlier
Viking days.

Leiðangr are equipped with a spear and shield, helmet and an occasional aventail.

Landvarnarmenn (Raaka)

Landvarnarmenn is a local special army consisting of local town folk and urban farmers
levied into the army. They are equipped with a spear and shield, helmet and an aventail and
wear padded armour. Levy armies form the backbone of Norse armies as professional
troops were scarse and seldom needed thus the quality of landvarnarmenn is better
than an average European levy. These men were mostly used for defencive purposes,
as well as supplement for bolstering crusades into heathen lands.

Landvarnarmenn are equipped with a spear and shield and wear aventail and padded
armour.

Lásboga Landvarnarmenn (Raaka)

Lásboga landvarnarmenn are common men, town folk and urban farmers levied into the
army. Wearing padded armour and equipped with a 'lásboga', a crossbow,
landvarnarmenn are usually called up in the time of distress. Norse medieval levy
armies are of better quality than their European counterparts however they cannot
match professional units under any circumstances. These men were mostly used for
defencive purposes, as well as crusaders into heathen lands.
Lásboga landvarnarmenn are equipped with a crossbow and a sword and are wearing
padded armour.

Sverdstafs Landvarnarmenn (Raaka)

Sverdstafs landvarnarmenn is a levy unit consisting of men with battle experience.
Armed with a 'sverdstafs', a sword-staff, a Scandinavian polearm coming in many
shapes but was essentially composed of a pole and a sword. These men were mostly
used for defencive purposes, as well as crusaders into heathen lands.
Sverdstafs landvarnarmenn are equipped with a sword-staff and wearing padded
armour with an occasional coat of plates.

Vaepnere
Meaning "armoured men". These men of the Hird made up the lower nobility of Norse
and Danish professional warrior class. Since the early middle ages, they served as table
servants for the higher nobility at the kings table. During the high middle ages, they
took up arms and armour, and fought as Riddere (knights) or man-at-arms for the higher
nobility. Others remained lesser landowners with the title of Hauld or Vaepner, and
enforced authority on a local level only. As a Vaepner one had the right
to pay mannebot(fines) for some types of offences, rather than physical punishment.
For a minor offence was 6-12 mark or the equivalent 643.14 to 1286.28 grams of silver
depending on social status and local income .
Vaepnere are armed with a sword, a strong round shield and mail. They may upgrade to
plate if they can afford it.

Gestir
Low born professional warriors acting as a kind of police force, doing errands for the
king, executing his justice and collecting his taxes. Their name Gestir (Guests) came
from the fact that they were well known as the unwelcomed guest in peoples houses.
Gestir are equipped with a couple of javelins, an axe, a shield and are wearing mail.
Despite the fierce rivalry between the Hirds different corporations, these are ferocious
professional assault infantry and very loyal to their sovereign.
Gestir are equipped with javelins, an axe and a shield in melee and are wearing mail.

Stormenn
Stormenn, the 'Great Men' were the cream of the Norse nobles. They are extremely well
equipped, matching European standards, and are equipped with a sword, a shield
and wear half plate. There are only a couple of hundred dubbed knights in Norway
and due to the terrain Stormenn were not experienced in mounted combat preferring
to fight on foot in many occasions. As a Lendman (later: Baron) one had the right to pay
mannebot(fines) for some types of offences, rather than physical punishment. For a
minor offence was 12-24 mark or the equivalent 1286.28 to 2572.56 grams
of silver depending on the noble status.
Stormenn are wearing half plate and are wielding bone crushing maces.

Svenner
Svenner, 'boys' are squires aspiring to the rank of knighthood. They are lightly
armoured, wearing mail and wielding spear and are excellent in running down
routers and skirmishers. Due to difficult terrain and dense forests, Norse are not
experienced in mounted warfare. They prefer imported continental horse breeds
when mounted.
Svenner are mounted nobles equipped with a spear, a shield and wearing mail. They use
longsword as secondary weapon.

Riddere
Riddere are the dubbed knights of Norway. They are extremely well equipped,
matching European standards, and are equipped with a sword, a shield and wear
half plate. Scandinavian terrain, many lakes and dense forest are not optimal for
mounted fighting. Continental war horses were used thus the inexperienced Riddere
are seldom a match for their European counterparts. As a late medieval knight
one had the right to pay mannebot(fines) for some types of offences, rather than
physical punishment. For a minor offence was fine man 12-24 mark or the equivalent
1286.28 to 2572.56 grams of silver depending on the noble status.
Ridder are wearing half plate and wielding lances. They use longswords as secondary
weapons.


Norway

City militia

Town Watch
Town Militia (Vanilla)

Town Guard
Town Militia (Vanilla)
Peasant Spearmen (Vanilla?), renamed to Karlar. (Preferably no free upkeep)

City Watch
Town Militia (Vanilla)
Peasant Spearmen (Vanilla?), renamed to Karlar. (Preferably no free upkeep)
Landvarnarmenn (Raaka)
Crossbow Militia (Vanilla)

Militia Drill Square
Town Militia (Vanilla)
Peasant Spearmen (Vanilla?), renamed to Karlar. (Preferably no free upkeep)
Landvarnarmenn (Raaka)
Lásboga Landvarnarmenn (Raaka)
Sverdstafs Landvarnarmenn (Raaka)

Militia Barracks
Town Militia (Vanilla)
Hand Gunners (Vanilla)
Peasant Spearmen (Vanilla?), renamed to Karlar. (Preferably no free upkeep)
Landvarnarmenn (Raaka)
Lásboga Landvarnarmenn (Raaka)
Sverdstafs Landvarnarmenn (Raaka)

Army Barracks
Town Militia (Vanilla)
Landvarnarmenn (Raaka)
Lásboga Landvarnarmenn (Raaka)
Sverdstafs Landvarnarmenn (Raaka)
Arquebusiers (Vanilla)
Hand Gunners (Vanilla)


Royal Barracks
Town Militia (Vanilla)
Landvarnarmenn (Raaka)
Lásboga Landvarnarmenn (Raaka)
Sverdstafs Landvarnarmenn (Raaka)
Arquebusiers (Vanilla)
Hand Gunners (Vanilla)

Castle infantry

Mustering Hall
Peasant Spearmen (Vanilla?), renamed to Karlar. (Preferably no free upkeep)
Viking Raiders (Vanilla), renamed to Hauld.
Húskarlar (Raaka)

Garrison Quarters
Peasant Spearmen (Vanilla?), renamed to Karlar. (Preferably no free upkeep)
Viking Raiders (Vanilla), renamed to Hauld.
Leiðangr (Raaka)
Húskarlar (Raaka)

Drill Square
Peasant Spearmen (Vanilla?), renamed to Karlar. (Preferably no free upkeep)
Viking Raiders (Vanilla), renamed to Hauld.
Leiðangr (Raaka)
Gestir (Raaka)
Húskarlar (Raaka)
Norse Knights (Vanilla), renamed to Vaepner

Barracks
Peasant Spearmen (Vanilla?), renamed to Karlar. (Preferably no free upkeep)
Viking Raiders (Vanilla), renamed to Hauld.
Leiðangr (Raaka)
Gestir (Raaka)
Sons of Stormenn (Raaka)
Norse Knights (Vanilla), renamed to Vaepner
Hirðmenn (Raaka)

Armoury
Viking Raiders (Vanilla), renamed to Hauld.
Leiðangr (Raaka)
Gestir (Raaka)
Norse Knights (Vanilla), renamed to Vaepner
Hirðmenn (Raaka)
Sons of Stormenn (Raaka)
Frelsir (Raaka)
Stormen (Raaka)


Castle range

Bowyer
Peasant Archer (Vanilla)

Practice Range
Peasant Archer (Vanilla)
Veiðimenn (Raaka)

Archery Range
Peasant Archer (Vanilla)
Veiðimenn (Raaka)
Leidangrbogimenr (Vanilla)

Marksman's Range
Peasant Archer (Vanilla)
Veiðimenn (Raaka)
Leidangrbogimenr (Vanilla)
Mounted Crossbowmen (Vanilla)


Castle stable

Stables
Svenner (Raaka) 1

Knight's Stables
Svenner (Raaka) 2

Baron's Stables
Svenner (Raaka) 3
Riddere (Raaka) 1

Earl's Stables
Svenner (Raaka) 3
Riddere (Raaka) 2

King's Stables
Svenner (Raaka) 4
Riddere (Raaka) 3
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Denmark

City militia

Town Watch
Town Militia (Vanilla)

Town Guard
Town Militia (Vanilla)
Peasant Spearmen (Vanilla?), renamed to Karlar. (Preferably no free upkeep)

City Watch
Town Militia (Vanilla)
Peasant Spearmen (Vanilla?), renamed to Karlar. (Preferably no free upkeep)
Crossbow Militia (Vanilla)
Lásboga Landvarnarmenn (Raaka)

Militia Drill Square
Town Militia (Vanilla)
Peasant Spearmen (Vanilla?), renamed to Karlar. (Preferably no free upkeep)
Landvarnarmenn (Raaka)
Lásboga Landvarnarmenn (Raaka)
Sverdstafs Landvarnarmenn (Raaka)

Militia Barracks
Town Militia (Vanilla)
Hand Gunners (Vanilla)
Peasant Spearmen (Vanilla?), renamed to Karlar. (Preferably no free upkeep)
Lásboga Landvarnarmenn (Raaka)
Sverdstafs Landvarnarmenn (Raaka)

Army Barracks
Town Militia (Vanilla)
Arquebusiers (Vanilla)
Hand Gunners (Vanilla)
Peasant Spearmen (Vanilla?), renamed to Karlar. (Preferably no free upkeep)
Lásboga Landvarnarmenn (Raaka)
Sverdstafs Landvarnarmenn (Raaka)

Royal Barracks
Town Militia (Vanilla)
Arquebusiers (Vanilla)
Hand Gunners (Vanilla)
Peasant Spearmen (Vanilla?), renamed to Karlar. (Preferably no free upkeep)
Lásboga Landvarnarmenn (Raaka)
Sverdstafs Landvarnarmenn (Raaka)


Castle infantry

Mustering Hall
Peasant Spearmen (Vanilla?), renamed to Karlar. (Preferably no free upkeep)
Viking Raiders (Vanilla), renamed to Hauld.
Húskarlar (Raaka)

Garrison Quarters
Peasant Spearmen (Vanilla?), renamed to Karlar. (Preferably no free upkeep)
Viking Raiders (Vanilla), renamed to Hauld.
Leiðangr (Raaka)
Húskarlar (Raaka)

Drill Square
Peasant Spearmen (Vanilla?), renamed to Karlar. (Preferably no free upkeep)
Viking Raiders (Vanilla), renamed to Hauld.
Leiðangr (Raaka)
Axemen (Vanilla)
Húskarlar (Raaka)
Norse Knights (Vanilla), renamed to Vaepner

Barracks
Viking Raiders (Vanilla), renamed to Hauld.
Leiðangr (Raaka)
Norse Axemen (Vanilla)
Norse Knights (Vanilla), renamed to Vaepner
Feudal Foot Knights (Vanilla)


Armoury
Viking Raiders (Vanilla), renamed to Hauld.
Leiðangr (Raaka)
Norse Axemen (Vanilla)
Norse Knights (Vanilla), renamed to Vaepner
Feudal Foot Knights (Vanilla)
Sons of Stormenn (Raaka)
Frelsir (Raaka)
Chivalric Foot Knights (Vanilla)


Castle range

Bowyer
Peasant Archer (Vanilla)

Practice Range
Peasant Archer (Vanilla)
Veiðimenn (Raaka)

Archery Range
Peasant Archer (Vanilla)
Veiðimenn (Raaka)
Leidangrbogimenr (Vanilla)

Marksman's Range
Peasant Archer (Vanilla)
Veiðimenn (Raaka)
Leidangrbogimenr (Vanilla)
Mounted Crossbowmen (Vanilla)


Castle stable

Stables
Scout (Vanilla) 1
Svenner (Raaka) 1

Knight's Stables
Scout (Vanilla) 2
Svenner (Raaka) 1

Baron's Stables
Scout (Vanilla) 3
Svenner (Raaka) 2
Feudal Knights (Vanilla) default

Earl's Stables
Scout (Vanilla) 2
Svenner (Raaka) 3
Feudal Knights (Vanilla) default
Chivalry Knights(Vanilla) defult

King's Stables
Scout (Vanilla) defult
Feudal Knights (Vanilla) default
Chivalry Knights(Vanilla) defult

Freeed up space:

Norse War Clerics
Huscarls (both mounted and dismounted)
Sword Staff Militia
Obudshaer

Perhaps a 2-handed axemen could also be relinquished if there is sufficient need.

Post #2 to #38 is based on the old project:

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This version is allready in Battle Ballance, no need to download.

WOTN is releasing 15 units for DLV to use:

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As most of you are aware, we are currently redoing our unit rosters. Instead of just throwing away the old units we will no longer use, we are releasing them to the public.
There are 15 units in total here:

Ðigriøxmenn

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Skáneya Leiðangr

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Húskarlar

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Karlar

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Drengar

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Jómsvíkingar

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Landsmenn

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Veiðimenn

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Skjöldborgsmenn

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Hirðmenn

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Hof-Vörðr

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Vikingar

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Bóndir

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Atgeirmenn

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Svía Riddarar

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If you experience any problems, please post them in this thread.

N.R.II.O.M:

The Norse Roster II Overhaul Mod, a overhaul of the Norwegian faction, including:


(Created with paint, don't judge it. ^ )






















Unit Info Card descriptions, New, longer and deeper.

• Hirdmen.
• Svenner.
• Norse Swordsmen.
• Norse Archers.

New Skins for Norway and some for Denmark.

• Hirdmen.
• Svenner.

New intro for Norway:

• The New Norway Intro
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Minor changes:



















Some of these changes will be done in the historical campaign, example papal standings and the castle on Isle of Mann.

• Kertilsveiner (Svenner) got sword, then axe on the weapon upgrade.
• Theigns will use shildwall, for historical accuracy.
• Norse swordsmen is renamed Norse Knights.
• Hirdmen is renamed Hirðmenn and got a one hand sword.
• Icelandic Axemen is renamed to Ðigriøxmenn. (Stout Axman)
• Norse Archers is renamed to Leiðangsbogimennr. (Levy-archer-man)
• Changed capial from Oslo, to bergen(Bergen was the capital of Norway, Oslo became the capital in 14th century).
• Norway's Papal standing is on ice. (The current King was in deep trifel with both Viken (Oslo) region, the Danes and Rome. A few years later he was Excommunicated.)
• There is now a new fort on the south end of Isle of Mann, Castle Town. This was vassal to Norway, but it acted independent - Sire, it's time we teach them who they serve!
• Norwegian Officers are now incorporated incording to Norse historical hierarchy, rather then continental serfdom(fuedal).

The Goal:

1. To add Unis from other mods lile the WotN(see spoiler^) or Ferrum Aeternum part [1] + [2]. Some units are inn, others can be incorporated if there is a good reason.
2. To merge work from the other Norse mod.
3. Get rid of the unhistorical Fuedal Knights, and in with a new looking Norse Knights. Sunds good hu? I bet so.

Install

How-to-install the Norse Roster II Overhaul Mod 0.41 BETA:

1. Install BB2.4 here, before the Norse Roster II Overhaul Mod.
2. To install, just put the contents of this Norse Roster II Overhaul Mod 0.41 BETA in your "...\mods\dlv_ext" -folder.

Change Log:

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5/11/09
-Changed capial from Oslo, to bergen.
-1 star Papal standings in historical campaign.
-Fort on the Isle of Mann in the historical campaign.
-Officers of norse hierarchy, rather then fuedal.

Edited mailed- and plate BG files!

24/10/09
-Kertilsveiner (Svenner) first got a sword, then axe on the weapon upgrade.

22/10/09
-Added Norway Intro

21/10/09:
-Description is changed on most of the Norwegian units. Tho it need more work and a spellcheck.
-2 handed Hirdmen is replaced by 1 handed Hirdmen
-Svenner is replaced by a new looking unit with shield and helmet.
-Theigns now got Shild wall, instead of Shiltrom.

Here is the 6.1 Norwegian roster.
Here is the 6.1 Danish roster.

I will try to replace the old units, like Svenner and Hirdmen. Maybe delete Icelandic Axemen, and free up a space.... for the Leidagr unit.... Hmmm....
Some units will have a name change (for the better), others will have longer Unit description.

I would apprichiate opinions tho

Thanks to:
-WotN team for releasing the units for free and helping with details.
-Taiji for help with modding.

~Wille

[Taiji]

Looking forward to this release +rep

The issue with % of militia is better dealt with using recruit pools and pool recharge rates IMO.

edit: Did Raaka give you his files? It would be nice to see those used too.

[Raaka]

Hey you crazy viking descendant. Check my thread and maybe we find some synergies if you are willing to go through all that EDU editing :-) Unfortunately I'm so damn busy that I'm not even joking about the possible 2010 release..

[Kjertesvein]

Ha ha ha ha ha, first time I saw he new update, I was like "...but... but... I just did a ton of work 2 days earlier... and now he comes ". Ha ha ha ha, good thing it will be 2010.... But come on man, come on, how hard can it be? The DLV Addicts should call a Jihad to finish this baby! I'm sure we all can get into it and have a go at it.

Make a social group and assemble the forces: Lay out your plan so we can have a bite,

[Taiji]

The EDU editing required is no simple matter because by changing norways rosta we'll have to find some units to remove. The problem would be that these units will be replacing units that are also used by denmark. The ideal solution from my pov would be to make some new skins for denmark but that means more work for Raaka, and of course he might not be interested or have the time.

Maybe a slightly reduced rosta for the Aztecs. Perhaps some mongol siege weapons should vanish. There are probably other options to explore. It's certainly doable, and a noble cause

[Kjertesvein]

Yes, I say replace replace. Raiders, Peasant spearmen, huscarl, Icelandic Axemen, Hirdmen, etc. Take awy fuedal and chivalry knights from atleast Norway, maybe denmark. Norway and denmark got alot of the same units and their unit is huge. The diffrence is that Denmark got much more military might, and Norway got more pressure on milita levy and sea based (more availeble milita and more ships availeble), and denmark more european fuedal emphasy.

BTW:

Norse Roster II Update - 0.1 BETA is released in the OP.

[Taiji]

Very cool, looking forward to more

[Kjertesvein]

NRIIOM 0.2 is uploaded, with a video in the OP. The whole thing is save compitable with your BB game

-Take it easy

--BLW

[Kjertesvein]

Taiji -- 04 update^ compitable with taiji 2.39/2.4

[Taiji]

It is not compatible with 2.39. Check my EDU, yours does not include 2.39s changes. Also you have only provided 1 edu, you need to do 3 to be compatible.

[Kjertesvein]

lolwuuut. I use this and it works :S

You mean 'export_descr_unit_bak' and 'export_descr_unit_cat' in data-folder?

EDIT: and yeah, that one edu, whait a sec.

EDIT: Ahhhh I did that edu, but i did't save :face-keyboard: :p lol

[Taiji]

1, You use this and it will undo over an hour of my work.

2, Nope, I mean you have not included EDU's for mailed and late bodyguards.

Forget 2, if you want me to do this work, I'll do it. But get 1 done first.

Note: If I find any bad stuff I will not use it until you do it properly. I see you being lazy, trying to get Agis to do your work for you, I'm sure you realise that I am not going to put up with that kind of thing... (naughty boy, smacked bottom )

[Kjertesvein]

HA ha haha

1. I didn't know what mailed and body guard files is, so I have no clue.

I guess it's just coping what had been done, into those files.

2. Done.

BTW: Agis came to me and didn't read what was need to include it, I didn't come to Agis

EDIT: 1.Done. /not that much!

[Taiji]

I can imagine what happened...

Sorry for the misunderstanding

edit:

OK, nice work. I like it, I'll get it in BB ASAP...

edit:

Done, BB2.40 includes your work, well done and thanks

[CelticPagan]

Just curious, but by Man of Isle, do you mean Isle of Mann in the Irish Sea?

[Kjertesvein]

Spot on friend

[Kjertesvein]

The next release will make Oslo a town, instead of a castle. Let me know what you think about that, according to gameplay AI!! Back in the day(1180-1299), there never was any castle there just a town. Further south, there was a 2 wall fortress, so I placed a second fort there.

The other thing is the fact that 1180 was the most dangerous tipping point in Norwegian history: the Civil war era(1130-1240). Around this time, King Sverre killed of 90% of the nobility, so there for I will give you the chance to play both sides. One in each campaign. Maybe add some Civil war uproar if it's possible(?)... hmmm...

+++more+++

BL-W

[Myshkin]

Can't wait till they get on BB!

In MTW I, I've only played the Danes like 1000 times.

Make the campaign really challenging!

[CelticPagan]

This really, really looks good! I am currently building/painting a Norse/Viking 28mm scale miniature wargame army, and these guys have given my some great painting inspiration. +Rep!

[cedric37]

Hello,

I have started a bb2.45 game as norway and as far as i am in the game, i find that the norse knights are not that great and cannot be compared to feudal knights; of course you compensate with good huscarls. So that's balanced. BUT the Theigns are much better than the knights and cost less money.
So maybe they either need to be tuned down or the knights improved a little bit ?
I speak only for the units i have available in a castle (tier 2) so far.

The numbers:
- Norse knights: attack 11 charge 2 defense 28 cost: 1240 upkeep: 124
- Theigns: attack 10 charge 3 defense 37 cost: 1150 upkeep: 115

So why bother recruiting knights when the spearmen are far better and cost less ? Plus both can do the shield wall.

Am i correct ?
Cedric37.