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What if the confederate south won the american civil war
Ordinarius
Re: What if the confederate south won the american civil war
they could never have won they could only force a peace and in such a circumstance the US would be split in two until the economically weak south got bored of being poor and rejoined the north.
Dux Limitis
Re: What if the confederate south won the american civil war
then there would be one union and one confederate today. I guess they would still be powerful countries, but the hegemony of USA in the modern time would probably be less likely.
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Re: What if the confederate south won the american civil war
The country would be less progressive and less intelligent than what we have today (yes, us Americans can actually be more stupid than what we are today)
Based on what the Southerners act like today, these are the few things that would have happened if the Confederates had won:
1. Women would have not gained equal rights.
2. Creationism would have more credence in the US than the valid Theory of Evolution.
3. People would be even more ignorant in the fields of science.
4. Interracial marriage would have been illegal.
5. Homosexuals would have been lynched
6. The atheists (agnostics are also atheists) would have been lynched
7. The understanding of other cultures would not have been promoted.
8. And of course, the blacks would still be slaves
Last edited by asianboy; October 18, 2009 at 11:02 PM.
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Re: What if the confederate south won the american civil war
Stereotypes are fun.Originally Posted by asianboy
The country would be less progressive and less intelligent than what we have today (yes, us Americans can actually be more stupid than what we are today
Based on what the Southerners act like today, these are the few things that would have happened if the Confederates had won:
1. Women would have not gained equal rights.
2. Creationism would have more credence in the US than the valid Theory of Evolution.
3. People would be even more ignorant in the fields of science.
4. Interracial marriage would have been illegal.
5. Homosexuals would have been lynched
6. The atheists (agnostics are also atheists) would have been lynched
7. The understanding of other cultures would not have been promoted.
8. And of course, the blacks would still be slaves
Primicerius
Re: What if the confederate south won the american civil war
. . . . and your proof that this would happen?The country would be less progressive and less intelligent than what we have today (yes, us Americans can actually be more stupid than what we are today
Based on what the Southerners act like today, these are the few things that would have happened if the Confederates had won:
1. Women would have not gained equal rights.
2. Creationism would have more credence in the US than the valid Theory of Evolution.
3. People would be even more ignorant in the fields of science.
4. Interracial marriage would have been illegal.
5. Homosexuals would have been lynched
6. The atheists (agnostics are also atheists) would have been lynched
7. The understanding of other cultures would not have been promoted.
8. And of course, the blacks would still be slaves
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Re: What if the confederate south won the american civil war
By "win" I take it you mean they secured independence?
Re: What if the confederate south won the american civil war
As soon as another conflict broke out the north would absolutely destroy the south. Had the civil war been fought much later the norths industrialization and modern equipment would have absolutely annihilated the south. The confederation sure didnt seem to interested in building their own industry during the war so it is safe to say they would have done likewise after the war and they would only be lagging behind the north that much more. It would only be a matter of time before the north would reclaim the south and abolish slavery, but the US would certainly have emerged much weaker and more scarred from the event than it did.
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I bet if the North had won the second war the reconstruction after would have been much worse than reconstruction historically was.
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Re: What if the confederate south won the american civil war
Agreed.
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Re: What if the confederate south won the american civil war
historical facts about the stances of the confederate states are even funner
The Red Menace
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http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=241996
Old thread about an interesting movie that explored just this
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Re: What if the confederate south won the american civil war
that movie was about the CSA changing itself from secession to a revolution.
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Would slavery as an American institution eclipsed the turn of the century? Looking at the South as history past had they embraced industrialization by 1900 or was it still functioning on an agricultural base.
Remember the CSA had substantial assets invested in the institution of slavery. would such as drastic change as the abolition of slavery come so freely in forty or so years. Remember racial stress was still very vibrant in the South right up thru the 1960's...
Biarchus
Re: What if the confederate south won the american civil war
Yeah thats some good food for thought. Chances are with the advancement in machinery near the turn of the century it would have been inefficient to use slaves for most crops. Remember though, that it wasn't just in the South that blacks were mistreated. As you said, it went up (largely) to the 60's but it was a national issue, not just a sectional issue.
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Re: What if the confederate south won the american civil war
True, Although I believe that would have actually happened (if they had the opportunity)
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probably not france and Great britain wouldn't want to replace the united states with a similarly strong nation.
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Re: What if the confederate south won the american civil war
The South Shall Rise Again!:
"keep your confederate money!"
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hhahahahaha, love the confederate re-enactment ppl in the video....The South Shall Rise Again!
"keep your confederate money!"
reminds me of....
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Re: What if the confederate south won the american civil war
I think that had the South achieved independence through a military victory (such as at Gettysburg), then there would have been a resumption of the conflict within a few decades.
I say this because the CSA was founded on States' Rights, Slavery and opposition to the North. Without the war to unite it, and justify Jeff Davis's suppression of those very States' Rights, then the internal conflicts within the CSA would have come to the fore.
Missouri, Kentucky, Tenessee and Virginia were all hopelessly split in their sympathies, and I would expect insurgents to begin operating there against whichever side the peace deal allocated them to. It would surely be only a matter of time before Union or CSA gave in to the temptation of intervening on behalf of their proxies.
So, which side would be more successful after independence? The North had most of the industry and more than double the population of the South. So even with independence achieved, I think the CSA would have felt increasingly threatened by the North as time went on. The tariffs issue which had helped to provoke the war would have become much worse if the Union, now a foreign country, chose to protect its internal markets. If the CSA were locked out of US markets, then it might wither on the vine economically. Even given a free market, the CSA might be swamped by Northern industry, perhaps becoming in time a wholly-owned subsidiary of the North.
Does anyone here think the South could be successful in the face of a hostile North?
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