XC Sub Mod Project: Prelude to the Second Punic War
I want to put Bactria playable from the start. aside from giving them territories, taking out the "spawned on event" lie on sm_factions and the "death until resurrected" in th descr-strat....i have to remove the event of their appearance somewhere, to avoid CTDs?
1) put them on playable
2) remove dead until resurrected
3) move baktra and kophen back to the baktrian faction (watch for the seleucid general, he needs to be commented out or moved to another settlement)
4)uncomment the baktrian familty tree
descr_sm_factions: remove the "spawned_on_event"
That should be enough.
On the other side, did you check if there's a baktrian campaign under provincial campaigns?
Yes, but it is not neccesarily to play as Bactria, is because i moved the starting date of the imperial campaign to the end of the first Punic War and by that age Bactria already "emerged"
Yes. NO problem
Its dated on 233, the date of Hannibalīs 16 years. Iīm putting a lot of historical characters including the whole Mauryan Dinasty on the Eastern Kingdoms. Iīm thinking on moving the Senate back to Rome and even putting another Roman faction, just to assure the explosion of Rome than in the XGM/XC sometimes do not happens
Southern Italy, Sicilia except Syracuse, Corsica and Sardinia are Romans by that date. In exchange, Carthago gets Saguntum.
Well, Suppa invited me to his project a months ago......then i get busy so i declined, but now iīm working againg
Whatever tip you have i would thank. Iīm having trouble specially in modifying trait triggers to give the "Indian" traits to de Eastern Kingdoms....
All the cultural traits are a huge improvement of XC, you really have done a great work. The feature that most surprised me of the later version were the Suplly line traits. You took the entire game to another level that was not considered at all in te basic game.
I'm afraid my specialty lies on the other side of the map...
Anyways:
- You should seriously consider waiting for XC4, it's gonna be a much more balanced and satisfying experience.
- Moving the senate back to rome and creating another faction is a huge load of work
- GCS were wiped out at the time so you may want to consider the scenario I'll write below
- This is more or less the time of Telamon and the gallic civil war is still going on, I'd consider putting rome at war with the celts and allied with the gauls.
- You may want to give Arsa to the carthies, Saguntum will play another role.
- If you want Rome to "explode" you should consider giving them well developed settlements in order to boost their economy
- Sardinia and Corsica should get rebel stacks.
Using GCS and IGCS:
As the chremoidean league was wiped out at the time, I'd consider a very alternative but quite interesting use of GCS and IGCS:
- IGCS could take Sparta and crete.
- GCS could be used for Massalia and its colonies, creating a greek faction in a very interesting spot. They will also represent Syracuse and be allied to both Rome and Carthage, creating a very interesting faction. Massalia, Emporion and Saguntum could be the territories, at war with Carthage.
- Carthies could get Arsa and all the north african coast except Tingi, owned by EK/rebels.
- You could push a few years back and have Hamilcar still alive with the three brothers coming to age. Alternatively you can start with Hannibal, Hasdrubal and Mago already grown up and have two good and one outstanding generals available from start.
My MSN is zarax999@hotmail.com, if you want I can give you some extra material over there.
Interesting stuff, Anakarsis.
I'll give you my two bits as well.
As Zarax recommended, waiting until Extended Cultures 4 full release is probably worth your while. Many things will change externally and internally.
Also, if you want a second Roman faction, it will be easier to work from the Regular campaign, unless you want a senate specifically.
Finally, if you haven't already added Bactria, taking code from the provincial campaign will help. You may want to look at the Caesar Civil War for expansion process.
However, as i plan to change at least some factions from place, i feared that the new wonders system should gimme a lot of extra work. Thatīs why iīm working on the alpha 4.0
Also, a basic question: i move the Senate back to Rome and "superfactioning" Rome. but Rome (internally the julii) still appears among the foreing countries policies, and as a hated enemy. I already modified the core attitudes and faction relationships in the descr_strat, but this do not changes. This only happens in the senate screen: in the strategic map, Rome and the Senate appears allied, and the superfaction order works: neither faction attacks one another
Thank you for your desire for create new provincial campaign. I would love to see it in XC.
I have already think about provincial campaigns with different playable periods (like in old MTW) before but we still lack of manpowers to do them so as now we busy with XC4 main engine, bug hunting still on our highest priority.
I didn't know that you have already seen these or not, these are my idea that I post in "XGM" and "XC Developer" forum for a while. And I hope you could revise, change or add ideas about them and even create them to reality if you want to.
XC Provincial Campaign Ideas+ new idea about Bactria-Parthia/Truceless War Campaign!
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- New Flags fly Over the East (240 BC) (Rise of Parthia, Bactria and Carthage's Truceless War)(NEW!)
Unplayable:
Germans
Sarmatia
Independent Celts (As the Aeduii with support from old Bituriges and Druid of Carnutes)
Independent Greek Cities
Roman Rebels/Carthaginian Senate (as mercenary revolt)
Description:
In the West, by outcomes of Diadochi's Third Syrian War, Seleucid was left in weak status and could no longer prevent independent claimed of her two furthest Satraps, Bactria and Parthia, anymore. This start new powerplay in the east with two new military powers in addition of old players like now weaken Seleucid and Maurya Empire under great emperor Ashoka who both play benign and peace before that.
In the West, the First Punic's War end with devastated treaty that enforce Carthage, but that was not the end of Carthage troubles. The Mercenary who fight for Carthage during war with Rome found themselves unpaid by their employer so they start uprising and revolt, thus begin the Truceless War. Now fate of Carthage is in hand of Barca family once again.
Up in Northern Barbarian territory, civil war now rage across the land of Gauls between the Aeduii and the Arvernii in contest over legacy of old Cubi-Bituirge Confederacy and supremacy over Celtic world.
Player's proper choices could play as Carthage in Struggle for their servival and rebuild themselves for facing with those Roman Crooked Republic once again. Or play as three powers in the East, Bactria, Parthia, and Maurya, in new powerplay of the East. Or play with weaken Seleucid that had just lost a lot of Territory in Syria to Ptolemaic and prepared for their own recovery as well as face two conflicts on both side of their Empire. Or play the Arvernii Gauls in their fight for supremacy in Celtic civil war and united Celtic peoples once more. Or play as Rome, Iberia and Massalia in order to exploit current situation for ascending to be great power.
Note:
- This campaign EK will use only India rosters of Maurya only at the the highest point of her power under Ashoka's rules.
- Mercenary faction will start with no faction's barrack, only auxiliary ones.
Description:
The worst nightmare for the eternal city has comes. A great army lead by general Hannibal Barca of Carthage to fight in Roman heartland and nothing will stop him from revange for his own nation. This war will decide the fate of Western Mediterranean forever. While in the east, two new powers will join the great game and change balance of power among the Diadochi. Everything will never be the same again.
Player could choose to play as Hannibal against endless stacks of Roman army or as Rome to struggle against their worst nightmare in form of the most overpowered general and his overpowered elite army ever appear to them. Or player will pick the situation in the East as rising powers of Parthia and Bactria or all other powers that want to exploited the situation.
Note:
- If Carthage play by AI, will get additional bonus and ships include traits "Hannibal"(+60 Battlesurgery, +6 TroopMorale) for Hunnibal character.
- If Rome play by AI, will get additional generals and many full stacks of units as well as much more additional bonus to fight Hunnibal.
- Twilight of the Diadochi (204 BC) (Second Macedonian War)
Description:
All the heirs of Alexander fight against each others to proof themselves as the true heir of the greatest conqueror who ever walk on earth for more than a hundred years now. Their great claimed still didn't have anyone seem to worthy enough for it as every heirs now exhaust in fruitless war that without any true victor.
But now situation become catalysmic, with the end of Second Punic War made Roman rules supreme over western Mediterranean and start to stare on the east. While in the further east, Parthia start to claimed their right as heir of the old Achaemenid and destroy frigle balances of Eastern Mediterranean. No any diadochi that could faced romans threat alone, could they give up their own hatre to fight the greater threat or could they find victor among them before all being swallowed? ...But in Western Mediterrean, the crippled Carthage still has a wild card in their hand, Romans supremacy maybe not as secured as they expected... who will decide?
- Violent Moon Rises In the East, Heroic Warcries In the West (145 BC) (The Yuezhi Invasion, Viriathus)
Description:
While, with the fall of Macedonia and destruction of Carthage, eternal cities of Rome lives secured and rules supreme without true enemies(just has paranoid enemies) in mediterranean, the wind in the east turn to violent storm. In 155 BC, the coalition of Wusun and Xiong Nu drive the Tocharian out of the northern land of Wusun and start flux into Transoxiana. Their flux invasion for new land destroy balance of power in the East as alien tactics and strange bow from the land east of Tianshan prove to be outmatched any weapons and tactics of anyone west of Tianshan. So the struggle for survival in Central Asia of all civilized peoples has just begun...
...At the same time, just somewhere in barbarian world, many heroes has rise and fall in fighting to protect their homeland against those the worst savage with no heart for compassion, Roman. And somewhere in the north, the long dorment forces have just begun their move and shaken Europe in its wake to marked decay of the old system.
Recommend choices for player in this campaign are play as Parthia, Bactria, and Sarmatia to Stop the alien Tocharian horsemen from succumbed their known world. While in Europe could bring Viriathus and his fellows heroes to liberated Iberia from Foreigner. Or just play as germans and prepared their wake no matter Roman or Gauls will on their way to stop them or not. Or play as Gauls to stop their nightbours day dream. Player may also play as other powers of wanning Diadochi War in attempt to restore their former glory as well as fight for survival against Roman juggernaut.
Note:
- Tocharian units now during creating by Maraxus. Tocharian units are horsearcher that armed with Assymmetry Composite Bow. Which in hand in hand of the skilled warriors would outranged any of horsearcher in the west and yet still accurated. European will facing this bow again with Hunnic Invasion.
- This Campaign EK will start with large army and a lot of settlement that well established in Central Asia. Proven to be huge threat for Bactria, Parthia and Scythia, So Prepared for Bloody and continuous Cavalry fight.
- Viriathus will start with very high hitpoint(10+) and full gold chevron of his bodyguard with some veteran unts that accompany them as well as some traits that allowed morale bonus for his fellow generals. And if Spain play by AI, Viriathus will get trait "Homeric Heroes" with even more bonus in morales of fellow general and even made him far harder to kill in battle.
- Marian War (113 BC) (Jugurtha and Cimbrian War, Marian Reform)
Unplayable:
Rome
Spain
Independent Celts
Independent Greek Cities
Roman Rebels
Description:
While Tocharian Invasion in the east left scars to the eastern world by the dead of 2 Parthian shahs who fight against them and destruction of Greco-Bactrian Kingdom which power replaced by Tocharian clans like Kushan before driven out of Central Asia by Mithridates II of Parthia, situation in the west became greater trobles for Romans. While Romans still not yet to fully pacified Ibreia, new threats have arised from two completely different fronts, one was Romans's old allies and others are horde of peoples that romans not yet facing before...
On the southern border, Internal political struggle within Numidia bring roman to involve in war with Jugurtha, the adopted son of former king of Numidia who shine in talent as well as unfathomable ambition. He once fought for Roman in Celtiberian War before and he known roman very well...maybe too well. He knows all weakness of Romans system both in politic and Polybian army system. So all things that romans send to stop him in North Africa are in grave danger....
...On the northen border, romans facing with a huge wave of migration of people of the northern land beyond Northern Sea. Romans never met them before but decided to called them with the name those celts called their foreign neighbours "Germans". Although they were the most primative yet organized enemies that roman ever facing, they never expect these new peoples cause the protractd and bloody war they ever facing since Hannibal, and will become their, more than just matched, nemesis for next several centuries to comes...
...And this time of trouble, a new man of senate has become the hero of situation and his most important legacy is military reform that change landscape of roman and world politic forever. His name is Gaius Marius.
Recommend choices for this campaign are Numidia in bringing Jugurtha to defeat Rome both by diplomatic and military means, or lead Germanic peoples in their migration into fertile land of the south and crush anything those dare to resist your destiny. You could also playing other faction as well especially Parthia which had a lot of eager expansion and development in this eras.
Note:
- Due to ethic degration of Romans, all romans generals will get 25% penalty on cost to bribes
- This campaign roman will start with huge but outdated army and well developed settlements but almost no barrack but already at the eve of Marian reform. This is to emulated manpower shortage they face in this war.
- Roman also gain bonus traits to their generals after reform as well below...
+2 Command
-1 Loyaly
+15% Movement rate
10% discount on training cost.
-70% cost to bribe on most of starting generals
- Numida when play by AI, Jugurtha will gain bonus traits to support their traits which already support his diplomacy tactic here...
+2 Command
+2 Command against romans
+4 negotiation skill to all diplomat
+100 bribery chance for diplomat
- Germans will get different starting units up to play by player or not. If play by player, it will start with a huge horde of old low level units, but if by AI then their units will be further developed but in the same numbers. this campaign germans will start with small and underdeveloped settlements as well as huge upkeep that put red number to treasury but haved huge well developed roster after reformed in well developed cities. So player must used low level units to created kingdom and slowly created more powerful units from civilized city you captured to replaced what you have lost and continue your momentum after you facing more powerful Romans' reformed legions.
- Mithridates's Ambition (91 BC) (Roman Civil War and Mithridatic War)
Description:
After Marian reform, military power of Rome shift from Senate to general that command them. Although this made their army even more powerful, roman old political structure are slowly to crumble. As soon that the general realized how powerful they are, more desired for political power by unlawful way coming. the starting of Social War in Italy is beginning of the end of the end of roman republic as now power come to hand of those who support by plubeian more and more, but this is not the only threat that roman will face in this crossroad to dead end...
The ambitious Mithridates VI of Pontus watch situation in Rome closely and think this is the right time for declared himself as protector of hellenic world and liberated as well as united peoples of Eastern Mediterranean in war against Rome. Mithridates is the great strategist so his plan is far from impossible. And due to his strategic mind, he unlike what romans ever facing before...
...While roman so busy with their own civil war and Mithridates, New force to reckon with arised in Carpartia and may change the tide of history to come.
Player could have many choice in the era of ambition here. As roman, you would play as Sulla and his loyal army in fight against outside enemies leaded by Mithridates as well as fight in Civil war for his own power over Rome. Or you would play as Pontus and use all strategic mind driven out Roman from hellenic world with strategy and all underhand in his stock. Other main player in this campaign is Dacia-Thrace under new rising king Burebista who will exploited the time when roman busy with Mithridates and their own civil war to emerged as great power of Europe which even roman also reckon with. All other player also have good time here as Roman's hard times is the time of exploitation.
Note:
- If Pontus is AI faction, Mithridates will have trait "Great Underhanded Stategist" that give bonus below...
+2 All asssassin Skill
+2 All spy skill
+2 Attack for all generals
+2 Ambush for all generals
+2 Siege defend for all generals
+20% Movement point for all generals
+2 To line of sight to all character except captain
+10 personal security for Mithridates himself
- If Thrace (Dacia) play by AI, Burebista will get traits "Establisher of kingdom of Dacia" that give bonus below...
+2 Troop morale to all general's armys (after become faction leader)
+4 Law to all generals (after become faction leader)
-20% Training unit cost to all generals (after become faction leader)
Description:
This Campaign player will play as one of five powerful Clans of Tocharian, the Kushan, in their quest to fulfill their own destiny. this campaign similar to "Violent Moon Rises In the East, Heroic War Cries In the West" excepted that Eastern Kingdom start in much weaker position with only only a half stack of units and one settlement to governed around by hostile rebel fellow tocharians and Powerful nation of Parthia, Bactria and Sarmatia. Their destiny lay in India which will change the fate of their kingdom forever.
I hope my outline ideas would be useful for you to create Provincial campaigns. If you need any help, ask me and I will provide you with my best effort.
Handle them well, Anakarsis. They are all in your hand now.
Last edited by Suppanut; October 16, 2009 at 12:51 AM.
That happens because romans_julii aren't one of the first 3 factions in descr_sm_factions.txt.
If you want a roman senate I also suggest this faction order:
Most interesting Suppa, specially the Kushan campaing, iīm a fan of the Kushan empire.
Iīm working on it on the main campaign, as i donīt exactly know how to make a provincial campaign.
My estimative starting date is 233, Hamilcar is still alive, with 42 years (he dies in 228), Hannibal just reached 16, Mago is still young, (10 years), Hasdrubal is older than Hannibal, dontīt know exactly how much.
I think starting date at 240 BC maybe better as it start in middle conflict of Truceless war for Carthage and you will also met Ashoka of Maurya during that time as he seem to die in 232 BC at age 72 and with traits and some hidden traits placed in descr_strat.txt, I could made 8 years old Hannibal to grow up with very promising traits preset specially for him when coming of ages...
...But it all in your hand now and I will accept your decision.
Last edited by Suppanut; October 16, 2009 at 01:28 AM.
I could put trait....
According to Livy, Hannibal much later said that when he came upon his father and begged to go with him, Hamilcar agreed and demanded him to swear that as long as he lived he would never be a friend of Rome. There is even an account of him at a very young age begging his father to take him to an overseas war. In the story, Hannibal's father took him up and brought him to a sacrificial chamber. Hamilcar held Hannibal over the fire roaring in the chamber and made him swear that he would never be a friend of Rome. Other sources report that Hannibal told his father, "I swear so soon as age will permit...I will use fire and steel to arrest the destiny of Rome."
Put his father the trait "He had his sons swore to hate Rome forever!" from in Descr_strats.txt that have 4 level grow by accumulated every turns (+1 point each turn).
240 BC Start with LV1 (threshold=1)--from start use for detect trait for trigger when coming of ages(condition "FatherTrait") for Hannibal Barca. with many bonus trait for him since start.
~232 BC reach LV2 (threshold=18)--for Hasdrubal's trait set(coming of ages in 231 BC)
~230 BC reach LV3 (threshold =22)--for Mago's trait set(coming of ages in 229 BC)
~228 BC reach LV4 (threshold =26)--nolonger effect to son traits or lesser than LV3
Yes, create new trait in EDCT to have it....I'm traitsmaster here, so it will be there if you ask for.
Last edited by Suppanut; October 16, 2009 at 01:44 AM.
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