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    http://www.campaignforliberty.com/article.php?view=270
    This past week there has been a lot of discussion and debate on the continuing war in Afghanistan. Lasting twice as long as World War II and with no end in sight, the war in Afghanistan has been one of the longest conflicts in which our country has ever been involved. The situation has only gotten worse with recent escalations.

    The current debate is focused entirely on the question of troop levels. How many more troops should be sent over in order to pursue the war? The administration has already approved an additional 21,000 American service men and women to be deployed by November, which will increase our troop levels to 68,000. Will another 40,000 do the job? Or should we eventually build up the levels to 100,000? Why not 500,000 -- just to be "safe"? And how will public support be brought back around to supporting this war again when 58% are now against it?

    I get quite annoyed at this very narrow line of questioning. I have other questions. We overthrew the Taliban government in 2001 with less than 10,000 American troops. Why does it now seem that the more troops we send, the worse things get? If the Soviets bankrupted themselves in Afghanistan with troop levels of 100,000 and were eventually forced to leave in humiliating defeat, why are we determined to follow their example? Most importantly, what is there to be gained from all this? We’ve invested billions of dollars and thousands of precious lives -- for what?

    The truth is it is no coincidence that the more troops we send the worse things get. Things are getting worse precisely because we are sending more troops and escalating the violence. We are hoping that good leadership wins out in Afghanistan, but the pool of potential honest leaders from which to draw have been fleeing the violence, leaving a tremendous power vacuum behind. War does not quell bad leaders. It creates them. And the more war we visit on this country, the more bad leaders we will inadvertently create.

    Another thing that war does is create anger with its indiscriminate violence and injustice. How many innocent civilians have been harmed from clumsy bombings and mistakes that end up costing lives? People die from simply being in the wrong place at the wrong time in a war zone, but the killers never face consequences. Imagine the resentment and anger survivors must feel when a family member is killed and nothing is done about it. When there are no other jobs available because all the businesses have fled, what else is there to do, but join ranks with the resistance where there is a paycheck and also an opportunity for revenge? This is no justification for our enemies over there, but we have to accept that when we push people, they will push back.

    The real question is why are we there at all? What do our efforts now have to do with the original authorization of the use of force? We are no longer dealing with anything or anyone involved in the attacks of 9/11. At this point we are only strengthening the resolve and the ranks of our enemies. We have nothing left to win. We are only there to save face, and in the end we will not even be able to do that.
    Afghanistan is the "Graveyard of Empires".

    How many Al Qaeda are there in Afghanistan, anyways? Probably a few hundred at most.

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    The problem with more troops in Afghanistan is that there will be more accidental killings, more misunderstandings, more hostility. Exactly the things that make the Afghanis tick of and start working with the Taliban. It is a vicious circle.

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    Twice as long as world war 2? World War 2 lasted 6 years......
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    Quote Originally Posted by Azog 150 View Post
    Twice as long as world war 2? World War 2 lasted 6 years......
    America entered the war in 1941 though.

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    First question, WHY is WW2 brought up, Who gives a how Afghanistan conflicted lasted more than WW2. WW2 is a different type of war, from a different time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azog 150 View Post
    Twice as long as world war 2? World War 2 lasted 6 years......

    not for america.

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    When it comes to talking about Afghanistan, Ron Paul fails in historical analysis and logical conclusions. The main idea that I got from this article is, "Hi, I'm Ron Paul. I'm a ."
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    Quote Originally Posted by motiv-8 View Post
    When it comes to talking about Afghanistan, Ron Paul fails in historical analysis and logical conclusions. The main idea that I got from this article is, "Hi, I'm Ron Paul. I'm a ."
    Agreed.

    And I can't believe his line of reasoning. Does he know his causation is retarded? The reasoning we only had 10,000 troops is we had tens of thousands of warlords soldiers fighting there, and its precisely because we had so few troops that so many Taliban, Al Qaeda, Haqqani, IMU, HiG fighters escaped and Afghanistan is in the its in now. If we had 100,000 soldiers there in the beginning we wouldn't be talking about A-Stan now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Farnan View Post
    Agreed.

    And I can't believe his line of reasoning. Does he know his causation is retarded? The reasoning we only had 10,000 troops is we had tens of thousands of warlords soldiers fighting there, and its precisely because we had so few troops that so many Taliban, Al Qaeda, Haqqani, IMU, HiG fighters escaped and Afghanistan is in the its in now. If we had 100,000 soldiers there in the beginning we wouldn't be talking about A-Stan now.
    Not only that, but his comparing us to the Soviets is insanity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by motiv-8 View Post
    Not only that, but his comparing us to the Soviets is insanity.
    That is true. We haven't yet killed 1,000,000 Afghans and sent millions more into refugee camps, while internally displacing everyone else in an attempt to destroy the enemy base of supply.
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    Extermination is the only way to totally win a war against a foe who will not fight conventionally. When no one is left to wage a blood vendetta.

    If those were the rules than the US would have won the war within a few years. However a war like this is like fighting with one hand tied behind your back the other in a sling.

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    Ron Paul the guy who believe it was WRONG for America to enter WWII.

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    I don't know why I came back here. I think I lost a couple IQ points reading these posts.
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    Alrighty, nice knowing you!
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