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    Default Saudis ask for aid if world cuts dependence on oil

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    BANGKOK — There are plenty of needy countries at the U.N. climate talks in Bangkok that make the case they need financial assistance to adapt to the impacts of global warming. Then there are the Saudis.

    Saudi Arabia has led a quiet campaign during these and other negotiations — demanding behind closed doors that oil-producing nations get special financial assistance if a new climate pact calls for substantial reductions in the use of fossil fuels.

    That campaign comes despite an International Energy Agency report released this week showing that OPEC revenues would still increase $23 trillion between 2008 and 2030 — a fourfold increase compared to the period from 1985 to 2007 — if countries agree to significantly slash emissions and thereby cut their use of oil. That is the limit most countries agree is needed to avoid the worst impacts of climate change.

    The head of the Saudi delegation Mohammad S. Al Sabban dismissed the IEA figures as “biased” and said OPEC's own calculations showed that Saudi Arabia would lose $19 billion a year starting in 2012 under a new climate pact. The region would lose much more, he said.

    “We are among the economically vulnerable countries,” Al Sabban told The Associated Press on the sidelines of the talks ahead of negotiations in Copenhagen in December for a treaty to replace the Kyoto Protocol, which expires in 2012.

    “This is very serious for us,” he continued. “We are in the process of diversifying our economy but this will take a long time. We don't have too many resources.”

    Saudi Arabia, which sits atop the world's largest proven oil reserves, is seeing economic growth slide because of fallout from the global meltdown, but experts still expect the country, flush with cash from oil's earlier price spike last year, to be better able than other nations to cope with the current crisis.

    Al Sabban accused Western nations of pursuing an agenda against oil producers, under the guise of protecting the planet.

    “Many politicians in the Western world think these climate change negotiations and the new agreement will provide them with a golden opportunity to reduce their dependence on imported oil,” Al Sabban said. “That means you will transfer the burden to developing countries, especially to those highly dependent on the exploitation of oil.”

    Al Sabban said his country wanted a new deal and was not impeding progress in talks as some activists have claimed.

    An Arab environmental group IndyACT and the environmental group Germanwatch released a report today accusing Saudi Arabia of blocking key elements of the negotiations. Among their tactics, the groups said, was slowing negotiations by insisting that the economic woes of oil producers be included in the text.

    “Despite the variability in the region, the current Arab position is mainly focused around protecting the oil trade rather than saving the planet form the adverse impacts of climate change,” said Wael Hmaidan, the executive director of IndyACT.

    Most countries have agreed that any new pact should include provisions to avoid temperature increases of more than 3.6 degrees Fahrenheit (2 degrees Celsius) above preindustrial levels — the threshold at which most scientists say serious climate change will ensue.

    That would require emissions cuts from industrial countries of 25 to 40 percent below 1990 levels by 2020, far above the 15 to 23 percent cuts rich countries have offered so far. It would also require developing countries to scale back their emissions.

    Both rich and poor countries are counting on a transition to a low carbon economy as a key component of meeting their reductions, a move that would require them to away from fossil fuels and toward renewables like solar, wind and hydro power.


    Yes give me more money so I can finance Wahabism, terrorists and death for the infidels.

    Oh what a .

    Sincerely I hope that the world will cut more the oil dependence.

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    Sounds like Manchester City are screwed then
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    Quote Originally Posted by Digbert View Post
    Sounds like Manchester City are screwed then
    nah Man City are owned by guys from Abu Dhabi in UAE, but yeah it would be awesome if they were .

    If we cut oil dependence not only would the House of Saud suffer but also Putin even more
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chinggis Khan View Post
    not only would the House of Saud suffer but also Putin even more
    Double win

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chinggis Khan View Post
    nah Man City are owned by guys from Abu Dhabi in UAE, but yeah it would be awesome if they were .

    If we cut oil dependence not only would the House of Saud suffer but also Putin even more
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    Double win
    America would pull it troops out in middle east and stop being allying with israel since they are no used to them anymore Triple Wins

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    Interesting; I always suspect if Middle East lost its oil economy the whole place would collapse soon or later. However, the worst news is that up to 2050 Middle East would face very serious water shortage.

    Now, think about it, water crisis + lack of money = ??
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    Quote Originally Posted by shadyrome View Post
    America would pull it troops out in middle east and stop being allying with israel since they are no used to them anymore Triple Wins
    things just keep getting better and better? ?
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    Default Re: Saudis ask for aid if world cuts dependence on oil

    Quote Originally Posted by Principe Alessandro View Post
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    Yes give me more money so I can finance Wahabism, terrorists and death for the infidels.

    Oh what a .

    Sincerely I hope that the world will cut more the oil dependence.
    maybe instead of asking for financial assistance the house of saud could cut the buying of crap like golden furnitures, luxury yachts and palace worth billions.

    Apart from the less pollution, and a much better balance of payments for our countries, a bonus effect of more energy efficiency will be that we'll get to laugh at all those failed oilstates.
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    Wait the ME didn't bank any of their money to get them past hard times while they find a new industry?

    Awww....Cry me a river.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidin View Post
    Wait the ME didn't bank any of their money to get them past hard times while they find a new industry?

    Awww....Cry me a river.
    I agree.

    They had plenty of money to invest in a less oil dependent future.
    If they didn't make the right choices, they can get in line for regular foreign aid but they shouldn't expect anything more than that.



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    Default Re: Saudis ask for aid if world cuts dependence on oil

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidin View Post
    Wait the ME didn't bank any of their money to get them past hard times while they find a new industry?

    Awww....Cry me a river.
    Aren't the Saudis building that new fancy industrial city in western Saudi Arabia?





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    those wahabist s. Let them go back to moving around with camels. Many, many people will be happy when it happens.

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    Default Re: Saudis ask for aid if world cuts dependence on oil

    I'm sorry, but it is the responsibility of the Saudi, nay, any government to plan for the future. Here's how it goes:

    a) oil will run out
    b) you know that oil will run out
    c) ergo, you must make plans for situation (a), since you already have advance knowledge of it

    The House of Saud can do whatever they want with the oil revenue, but if in the future they find themselves running short because they ran out of oil, well tough luck. It's their fault for not diversifying their economy.

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    What is that whole saudi saying? My grandfather rode on a camel, my father in a car, and I in a jet- my children will ride on a camel. Something like that. Oh well, its coming true. Thankfully.
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    Saudia Arabia should make a huge building as a monument to the stupidity of their royal family

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    Saudia Arabia should make a huge building as a monument to the stupidity of their royal family
    They could, as an alternative, hire this artist.

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    Default Re: Saudis ask for aid if world cuts dependence on oil

    Quote Originally Posted by mongrel View Post
    They could, as an alternative, hire this artist.



    that's been taken down I hope

    anyway I think it would do the world a lot of good if the House of Saud was deposed.They're forcing non-Arab Muslims abroad to behave like Arabs basically and I can't stand that.They're interpretation of Islam is absurd as well, but then again this doesn't come as a surprise considering that they hailed from the deserts of Nejd, not the Hejaz...
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    Default Re: Saudis ask for aid if world cuts dependence on oil

    Perhaps if instead of building Rolls Royce they spent their money in investments, in building infrastructure, renewables, turn their deserts into forests or something.

    If ever there was a government selling its people down the toilet and into fanaticism it is SA.

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    Or they could, you know, diversify their economy. Which is what any oil producing country should have been doing for the last 25 years -- we've known for a long time oil would run out eventually. Their inability to plan for the future isn't our problem...

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    Default Re: Saudis ask for aid if world cuts dependence on oil

    Quote Originally Posted by Justinian View Post
    Or they could, you know, diversify their economy. Which is what any oil producing country should have been doing for the last 25 years -- we've known for a long time oil would run out eventually. Their inability to plan for the future isn't our problem...
    What is worse is that they still have a massive amount of revenue left, another 20 years of ever increasing oil prices will bring in a huge amount of money but they are so steeped in nepotism.

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