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    Diplomatic Benefit Seen in Deal to Aid Medical Treatment

    By Glenn Kessler
    Washington Post Staff Writer
    Sunday, October 11, 2009

    Iran four months ago discreetly contacted the United Nations-affiliated agency for nuclear energy to outline a worrisome situation: A research reactor in Tehran that produces medical isotopes that detect and treat the diseases of some 10,000 patients a week will run out of fuel by the end of 2010. Iran also had a request: Can you help us find a country that will sell us new fuel?

    On the face of it, Iran's query was a plaintive plea from a country already under deep suspicion for its nuclear ambitions. But it also carried an unstated threat: If no country was willing to sell a stash of medium-enriched uranium to Iran, Tehran could claim it had no choice but to produce the nuclear fuel itself -- in effect putting it one step closer to obtaining weapons-grade fuel.

    The research reactor uses uranium enriched to 19.75 percent -- a huge boost from the 3.5 percent enriched uranium created by Iran.

    Now the Iranian request is at the center of an unusual deal, brokered largely by the United States, that aims to buy time for a diplomatic solution to the impasse over Iran's nuclear ambitions. If it works, Iran will end up with fuel necessary to treat desperately ill patients -- and also greatly reduce its stock of low-enriched uranium. But critics question why the United States would be assisting a nuclear pariah -- and giving it fuel that is even more enriched than its current holdings -- without even an agreement that Iran stop operating an uranium enrichment facility in violation of numerous U.N. Security Council resolutions.

    "You aren't buying much more time," said Henry Sokolski, executive director of the Nonproliferation Policy Education Center in Washington. "You are bailing water out of a sinking ship rather than plugging a hole."

    Obama administration officials counter that the deal should be viewed as both a confidence-building measure and a test of Iranian intentions. They argue that if Iran fails to follow through with the agreement -- tentatively reached when Iranian diplomats met with major powers in Geneva on Oct. 1 -- then it will have demonstrated that it has little interest in working with other nations for even the most benign humanitarian purposes. Further details of the arrangement, including a timetable, are to be worked out in a meeting in Vienna on Oct. 19.

    "This is a real confidence-building measure," said a senior administration official, speaking on condition of anonymity because of the diplomatic sensitivities. "If they say they need it for medical purposes, we are offering it to them. If they accept it, it is LEU [low-enriched uranium] coming out. If they reject it, it is another data point that says, 'Look, these guys are not serious.' "

    Ironically, the reactor was built for Iran by the United States more than 40 years ago, and initially supplied with weapons-grade uranium (enriched to 93 percent). But after the Iranian revolution in 1979, the United States refused to provide any more fuel; Iran in fact insists that the United States still owes millions of dollars for fuel that was not delivered. In 1987, with the assistance of the International Atomic Energy Agency, Iran reached an agreement with Argentina to convert the reactor core to use nearly 20 percent enriched uranium; in 1993 about 50 pounds of the fuel was shipped from Argentina to Iran.

    Now the Argentine-supplied fuel is running low. An Iranian news report in 2007 said the reactor produces a number of isotopes used in X-rays and also the treatment of thyroid medicine.

    When U.S. officials learned of Iran's interest in new fuel, they realized the potential threat. At an enrichment facility in Natanz, Iran has accumulated a stockpile of 3,300 pounds of low-enriched uranium, enough for a single nuclear weapon if it were enriched to weapons-grade levels. Every day the stockpile grows by another 4 1/2 pounds, so U.S. officials believed it would be a disaster if Iran found an excuse to enrich the uranium even further.

    So the Obama administration conceived of a plan under which Iran would supply its own stock of uranium to another country -- Russia -- in order to fuel the research reactor. Iran essentially would have to give up about 80 percent of its stockpile to get back the same amount of uranium supplied by Argentina in 1993 -- and at current production rates, it could take Iran as long as two years to replace that material.

    During President Obama's trip to Moscow in July, White House official Gary Samore broached the idea to Sergei Kiriyenko, head of Russia's atomic energy agency, and Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov. A senior U.S. official said that "both of them immediately said this is a great idea. The Russians don't need to be told what's obviously in their own interest. Anything that sets the Iranian nuclear clock back is in Russia's interest."

    But Russia wanted another country to take the enriched fuel and fashion it into metal plates comprised of a uranium-aluminum alloy that could be used in the reactor. So France was enlisted for that job.

    The IAEA and its director, Mohamed ElBaradei, were intimately involved in the plan and kept in touch with the Iranians. Obama discussed it with ElBaradei before the critical Oct. 1 meeting in Geneva.

    The plan was developed in secret, so U.S. officials were surprised when Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad raised the problem of the research reactor during an interview with The Washington Post and Newsweek on Sept. 23 -- and said he was interested in buying the fuel directly from the United States.

    U.S. officials puzzled over his statement, since a direct purchase from the United States was politically impossible. They were relieved when, on the eve of the Geneva talks, he was quoted as saying that Iran would ship its low-enriched uranium to a third country for processing.

    Critics such as Sokolski say it will be too easy for Iran to extract the more highly-enriched uranium for weapons. He noted that Argentina published the process online. U.S. officials counter that Iran has no known technical expertise at extracting uranium from a metal alloy.

    Still, at this point, U.S. officials refuse to say which person in the government dreamed up the plan. "I think we want to see if it succeeds before we designate paternity here," said another senior official.

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    "I have this strange feeling that we're going to be hearing a lot about this headline with very little mention of the actual contents of the article. Nuance is for pussies."

    This is pretty funny, but I'm sure the TW forum war mongers will come in and provide ample evidence of Iran's development of a nuclear weapon.
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    Well, come on, let's not be naive. Iran is trying to develop a nuclear ambition and needs to be treated with the firmness that is inevitable from such an attitude. If Iran did not have such ambitions and was a sincere participant of the Non Nuclear Proliferation Treaty then it would have ample access to civilian nuclear capability.

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    Yeah... you're right.
    The only reason why a muslim nation would want nuclear technology is to build a nuclear weapon. Who am I kidding?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OneArmedScissor View Post
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    "I have this strange feeling that we're going to be hearing a lot about this headline with very little mention of the actual contents of the article. Nuance is for pussies."

    This is pretty funny, but I'm sure the TW forum war mongers will come in and provide ample evidence of Iran's development of a nuclear weapon.
    Quote Originally Posted by OneArmedScissor View Post
    Yeah... you're right.
    The only reason why a muslim nation would want nuclear technology is to build a nuclear weapon. Who am I kidding?

    Sincerely,
    Some Total War Center Forums Poster
    Only a "TWC warmonger" will see that Iran is arming? Wow, take off the blind fold. The user name "OneArmedScissor" really makes sense now. Sort of like "two cents shy of dollar".


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    This has nothing to do with them being muslim and everything to do with the current Iranian administration having open ambitions for nuclear weapons and for hiding their refining centres from the international community.

    A part of the NNPT is that the nuclear nations provide assistance to non-nuclear nations in order to gain civilian nuclear technology - so why doesn't Iran do that, if you're so certain they're not pursuing nuclear weapons?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OneArmedScissor View Post
    This is pretty funny, but I'm sure the TW forum war mongers will come in and provide ample evidence of Iran's development of a nuclear weapon.
    You remind me the labourists which called Churchill a 'warmonger' after WW2......People never change.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saxon wårolord View Post
    You remind me the labourists which called Churchill a 'warmonger' after WW2......People never change.....
    He was a warmonger. Maybe he didn't want war with Germany so much, but he wanted war with the soviet union.

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    Out of interest... what "labourists" were they?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferrets54 View Post
    Out of interest... what "labourists" were they?
    Just Google it......If you want a random link,here's one:

    http://histomatist.blogspot.com/2006...-of-peace.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saxon wårolord View Post
    Just Google it......If you want a random link,here's one:

    http://histomatist.blogspot.com/2006...-of-peace.html
    I don't see the problem, really... people are permitted to debate history and Churchill did like his war...

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    Why not cut a deal?

    We'll directly sell you the Uranium, but it is in short bursts and you must:

    1) Allow a US inspector access to the Uranium at all times and to your reactors.
    2) Give up nuclear ambitions
    3) Support ISAF efforts in A-stan.
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    Preface: I am not a supporter of the theocratic regime in Iran, but I'd like to participate in highlighting the truth, seperating the myth from reality. If Iran is indeed as guilty as being suggested - and we aren't having a "deja vu" moment from the Iraq scandal, then I'll be the first to point a scolding finger at Iran.

    I never get surprised by the double morale. Despite the propaganda campaign, Iran has not elicited behavior indicative of an interest in pursuing nuclear weapons. Except perhaps they secretly wish they could have it as a deterrance against the nuclear-armed Israel, who constantly rattles their saber. Israel have yet to sign the NNPT mind you. They're the pink elephant in the room, we can't talk about them. Iran on the other hand has signed the NNPT, and is in full compliance with all of United Nations' (IAEA) provisions regarding the NNPT. The so-called "secret" facility was in fact a facility with 18 months left of development. The rules of the IAEA dictate that any nuclear enrichment facilities must be declared to the IAEA at least 6 months prior to it being operational. Iran went one further and disclosed the existence of this facility 12 months earlier than they were required to! It's not as if some clever agency on the outside pointed out the existence of this facility - it was entirely Iran's initiative.

    I think people should listen to former UN Weapons Inspector (and former US Marine) Scott Ritter on this one.
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    Good post. Ritter has some solid opinions I say. I agree with him on Iran, as well as attempting to soften the relationship with Iran. My only departing opinion of that clip was his opinion about Iraq. Some of it is true, and I think Iran will be a key player especially when getting Syria and Turkey more involved in a stable Iraq, but I don't think it's an outright failure like he says. But other than that, I think it's pretty solid analysis.

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    The US baffles me.

    Iranian youth, which are growing in numbers every day, just love the US. The US could've capitalized on that by re-establishing diplomatic relations with Iran - an offer which the Iranian government will probably accept, at the very least to reduce domestic discontent. Once that is established, there's just so many things that the US can do to gain from this relationship - have US companies enrich Iran's uranium supply, and build the power plants. Sign petroleum exploration and drilling deals with Iran, rather than letting the Chinese snap it up. Cultural and academic changes - once they see that the US is not the "hostile Great Satan that wants to bomb Iran into the Stone Age", and see how free and prosperous the US is, they will have more impetus in improving their own country, displacing the more radical Old Guard. In short, peace, not war, will reap a much larger benefit.

    So why the saber-rattling?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amry View Post
    The US baffles me.

    Iranian youth, which are growing in numbers every day, just love the US. The US could've capitalized on that by re-establishing diplomatic relations with Iran - an offer which the Iranian government will probably accept, at the very least to reduce domestic discontent. Once that is established, there's just so many things that the US can do to gain from this relationship - have US companies enrich Iran's uranium supply, and build the power plants. Sign petroleum exploration and drilling deals with Iran, rather than letting the Chinese snap it up. Cultural and academic changes - once they see that the US is not the "hostile Great Satan that wants to bomb Iran into the Stone Age", and see how free and prosperous the US is, they will have more impetus in improving their own country, displacing the more radical Old Guard. In short, peace, not war, will reap a much larger benefit.

    So why the saber-rattling?
    I agree. Problem is there is this big machine called the media that tells the every day American that Iran is full of a bunch of crazy fanatical Muslims and of course this is further multiplied by the current situation between the West and Middle East. That's compounded further by politicians. I mean, US and Iran actually didn't have a bad relationship before the Ayatollah. I think we do need to normalize relations with them because like it or not they are a major player in the region and icing them out it just plain stupid, especially with so much vested interest in Afghanistan and Iraq who are straddling Iran.

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    Normalising relations with the Iranian regime would be a betrayal of that youth. Are you not aware of the reports of the protestors being sentenced to death?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferrets54 View Post
    Normalising relations with the Iranian regime would be a betrayal of that youth. Are you not aware of the reports of the protestors being sentenced to death?
    No, not really.

    But re-establishing diplomatic ties doesn't mean the US is saying, "we agree with everything you do"; in fact, what the US would be doing is to say, "dude, chill, we should co-operate and be friends again rather than going at it at each other's throats". There's no reason why the US cannot re-establish diplomatic ties and criticize the negative aspects of Iran (although of course, it should be done in a less-aggressive manner, especially at the early stages).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amry View Post
    The US baffles me.

    Iranian youth, which are growing in numbers every day, just love the US. The US could've capitalized on that by re-establishing diplomatic relations with Iran - an offer which the Iranian government will probably accept, at the very least to reduce domestic discontent. Once that is established, there's just so many things that the US can do to gain from this relationship - have US companies enrich Iran's uranium supply, and build the power plants. Sign petroleum exploration and drilling deals with Iran, rather than letting the Chinese snap it up. Cultural and academic changes - once they see that the US is not the "hostile Great Satan that wants to bomb Iran into the Stone Age", and see how free and prosperous the US is, they will have more impetus in improving their own country, displacing the more radical Old Guard. In short, peace, not war, will reap a much larger benefit.

    So why the saber-rattling?
    Yes, we should get in bed with their leader because the Iranian people just love their leader! That will win them over.

    @the OP: We don't have any problems with Iran having civilian nuclear capabilities. The problem is that that doesn't seem to be what their doing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hunter Makoy View Post
    Yes, we should get in bed with their leader because the Iranian people just love their leader! That will win them over.
    What part of my post said that? You sure you're not quoting the wrong person?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amry View Post
    What part of my post said that? You sure you're not quoting the wrong person?
    The first part. Talking about doing a 189 on our stance on the Iranian government just because the people there like us. Well, most of the people hate their government too, so getting close with that nutjob isn't going to really help win over any more Iranians.

    As for having us do the enrichment and building the power plants: and I mentioned this in my first post too, Iran can't even prove to us what they're enriching the uranium for, you think they're gonna let us help run their plants?
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