Judaism and Messiah(s)

[Barry Ferguson]

I'm given to understand the main difference between Christianity and Judaisim is that Christianity accepts Jesus as the Messiah. Does this mean Jews are still waiting for their messiah? Which is to say, can there ever be a jewish messiah, because surely someone who turns up and says "actually no, I am the messiah" is clearly not going to be listened to

[Helm]

Yeah Jews are still waiting for the true messiah, he has to fulfil every biblical prophecy rather just a number of them as Jesus did. For instance he has to bring about world peace.

[germ14]

Yeah Jews are still waiting for the true messiah, he has to fulfil every biblical prophecy rather just a number of them as Jesus did. For instance he has to bring about world peace.

According to the Bible, Jesus will fulfill the rest of the prophecies in his second coming.

[Miracles]

Yeah Jews are still waiting for the true messiah, he has to fulfil every biblical prophecy rather just a number of them as Jesus did. For instance he has to bring about world peace.

And cease people from dying (to stop death)

Well the prophecy is not wrong in fcat it is very accurate or more accurately will be very accurate

[basics]

" Yeah Jews are still waiting for the true messiah, he has to fulfil every biblical prophecy rather just a number of them as Jesus did. For instance he has to bring about world peace."

Helm,

The last part of course being another prophecy. The question therefore is does it refer to this world or the world to come? The Old Testament teaches that the earth is to be burnt up so therefore the prophecy cannot apply to this world so in that respect Jesus Christ's teaching fits the bill.

I mean even if He were only a prophet, which some even in the leadership thought He was, that should tell us something for did they not see off all their prophets? Yet by faith many were acceptable to God as being accounted righteous, never seing what was to come, yet they believed that He would come.

The source of the truth lies in the Law. That if a man couldn't keep it all the days of his life he would never see heaven. So instead of the Law leading to salvation it only brought up sin that leads to death. So to the Jew first it became knowledgable that somehow another way must be found. The David they seek cannot be that way. Why, because David or one in his mould cannot take away sin.

To satisfy the Law only God Himself was the answer. Someone had to die and yet not be eternally dead if the Law was to be assuaged and man even a Davidic man could not cover anyone but himself. Someone outside of the perameters of humanity yet still be human was in Jesus Christ the answer. That He could die for millions and yet be raised up again to life is exactly what happened.

When He died, He did so on behalf, nay as the substitute for, all those millions of sinners who had been born and died, of the living and the yet to live, who had faith, were living by faith, and them still to come to faith, in such a way that the Law could find nothing left to condemn in each individual case. He bore the sins of each one and the Law was satisfied when He gave up the Ghost. His death delivered what the Jew's David cannot deliver.

And when He rose to glory that rising ensured that all them for whom He died would also rise to glory when their mortal bodies died, just as it did for them to whom faith had already been accounted to, and does for them still to be born and in time called. The Jews being blinded to this according to Paul then couldn't see what was transpiring before them, but it is written that God has reserved for Himself a certain number out of each generation to be saved just as He did in the past.

Why so few? This applies to all men that the path is narrow, the gate also so that few ever get through. But when added all together none can count them.

[Barry Ferguson]

Oh. Good luck with that then

[Monarchist]

There is the stipulation that the Messiah will be the only one able to pass through the Golden Gate in Jerusalem at the end of days. The problem is that this Gate was walled up and a graveyard placed in front of it by the Ottomans. The Messiah cannot pass over the dead, according to Judaism (correct me if I'm wrong, Visna ).

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Jewish ideas of theology are very interesting.

[Fiyenyaa]

There is another problem with Jesus according to Judaism (one of the many things it has in common with Islam, actually): Jesus is supposed to literally be God.
This is something that Judaism cannot allow; one of the reasons Jesus was not accepted as messiah.

[Banana Jelly]

There is another problem with Jesus according to Judaism (one of the many things it has in common with Islam, actually): Jesus is supposed to literally be God.
This is something that Judaism cannot allow; one of the reasons Jesus was not accepted as messiah.

I dont understand, your saying muslims believe Jesus was a god? Umm no?

[Fiyenyaa]

I dont understand, your saying muslims believe Jesus was a god? Umm no?

No, I'm saying that Islam shares with Judaism the belief that for a man to be God is impossible.
Instead of saying Jesus was merely a preacher of times, like Judaism, Islam suggests he was a prophet.

[Henry of Grosmont]

Not to hijack this thread, but we, in Israel, has more pressing concerns to think of. Plus, the whole Messiah thing with the Ultra-Orthodoxes got ugly. A big part of them don't even recognize the state (until the Messiah comes) but are more than willing to accept Social Security and pay no taxes (or very few of them on reduced rates, just like Israeli Arabs). So, excuse my French, who cares...

On the topic, in Judaism, in no way it is acceptable to force his coming (only by moral and spiritual example).
But hey, I'd be glad to see those people providing us with it...

[Saxon wårolord]

Not to hijack this thread, but we, in Israel, has more pressing concerns to think of. Plus, the whole Messiah thing with the Ultra-Orthodoxes got ugly. A big part of them don't even recognize the state (until the Messiah comes) but are more than willing to accept Social Security and pay no taxes (or very few of them on reduced rates, just like Israeli Arabs). So, excuse my French, who cares...

On the topic, in Judaism, in no way it is acceptable to force his coming (only by moral and spiritual example).
But hey, I'd be glad to see those people providing us with it...

You're talking about the Neturey Karta.

I voted for their Cherem: if a claim is fakened by a hundred other, there is no reason to stand for it.

That's why the Neturey Karta'im eren't true Jews, they insult God's intelligence and must be put to rest with haShatan.

[Helm]

But Jews didn't believe Jesus was God so there wouldn't be any problem there.

[Heinz Guderian]

i dont really know much about Jewish eschatology. What are the signs before the coming of the messiah?

[Icefrisco]

Supposedly the Messiah is supposed to come by the year 6000 so since this year is 5770 it is only 230 years until the Messiah comes (or doesn't and then we will see what happens). Many Jews don't really believe in this anymore, especially Reformed and a number of Conservative Jews. They believe that a long period of prosperity is what is referred to in the bible not a person literally coming, creating a huge war, and than making peace. Also, the Messiah isn't really mentioned in the Torah, he is mentioned in books written later.

Probably the most famous part of the Messianic Age is the idea that the dead will rise. Most Jews still don't cremate the dead in respect for this belief.

[Miracles]

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Probably the most famous part of the Messianic Age is the idea that the dead will rise. Most Jews still don't cremate the dead in respect for this belief.

And I believe 100% that the dead will rise

[germ14]

Actually a messiah is mentioned in the Torah.

[hellas1]

Hi all,

What I know about Orthodox Jews is that, they actually believe in Messiah coming back to earth, literally.

Also, from what I've examined from The Tanakh or "Old Testament," Moshiach (Hebrew/Aramaic) or Messiah (Greek) is pointed out MANY times:

Ex. Genesis or Bereisheis:

"You will strike his heel and He will crush your head."

This refers to Messiah.


Ex. Psalms or Tehillim in Hebrew/Aramaic:

"The Lord said to my Lord, Sit at my right hand until your enemies become a footstool under your feet."

Both words for Lord in Hebrew/Aramaic refer to God, as such, not "Lord" as in King David or Melech (as King is called in Hebrew/Aramaic.)

Some examples,
hellas1

[Justice and Mercy]

You people think I'm joking when I say I'm God, don't you?

I'll show you. I'll show you all.

[hellas1]

@Justice & Mercy,

Please sir, "Calm down son!"


And stop spamming,
hellas1