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    On the last two Sundays of the Carnival a parade known as the "Janissary", in which masked men and women dance, takes place in Naoussa, a beautiful location in Macedonia. There are two figures: the Janizari and the Boules. Although the original janissaries were soldiers of the Ottoman sultans, albeit of Greek origin, taken from their parents by force when they were young and brought up as Muslims, the Janizari of Naoussa are dressed as traditional Greek warriors, wearing the foustanella and tsarouch. The Boules are dressed as brides. Both wear masks made of wax and their clothes are covered with gold coins, which jangle as they move.
    The most interesting feature of this form of the carnival is the current explanation of the history of the celebration, which goes back to 1705, when the people of Naoussa danced in honour of citizens who had been slain in a revolt against the Turks. It is also said that the dance subsequently gave the opportunity to the Greeks to hold their secret meetings when they were plotting their independence struggle, since rebels known to the authorities could slip down from the mountains, enter and freely move about the city in disguise at this time of the year.
    The dance troupes, accompanied by the town band, dance in the streets and in many of the tavernas, where they are treated to the local wine and snacks. The festivities begin each day in the morning, and last until late at night and it is really worth being there at that time.



    Opposition of the Greek populace to taxing or paidomazoma resulted in grave consequences. For example, in 1705 an Ottoman official was sent from Naoussa in Macedonia to search and conscript new Janissaries and was killed by Greek rebels who resisted the burden of the devshirmeh. The rebels were subsequently beheaded and their severed heads were displayed in the city of Thessaloniki.[6]
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    Default Re: An folklore event in memory of resistance in Dervishe System(recruitment of Jannisairies)

    It's devshirme not derviche system, just a note
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    Devşirme or devshirme (Greek: παιδομάζωμα) was the practice by which the Ottoman Empire conscripted boys from Christian families, who were taken from their families by force, converted to Islam, trained and enrolled in one of the four royal institutions: the Palace, the Scribes, the Religious and the Military.

    I was hoping in a more deep comment lol

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    a deep comment: that customes are looking very silly. Really, they had wear that at past? And he does not look as a Janissary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by white-wolf View Post
    a deep comment: that customes are looking very silly. Really, they had wear that at past? And he does not look as a Janissary.
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    And this look very silly but not comments.

    White wolf folkklore is not history is more like myht like of a real event

    And you think that janisaries were actually like the stereotype we see in games.
    Further more there is an explanation why they wear kilts and not trousers like janisairies in the start of thelast century the people change the outfit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jo the greek View Post

    And this look very silly but not comments.

    White wolf folkklore is not history is more like myht like of a real event

    And you think that janisaries were actually like the stereotype we see in games.
    Further more there is an explanation why they wear kilts and not trousers like janisairies in the start of thelast century the people change the outfit.
    Fair enough. However, only that some hats are silly.

    Lookatit at Greek pic; you see a kilt! only women wear it (and scots )

    Kilt and white dress is silly at old times, I think. How can you keep that dress white at that times? Janissaries' dresses are/were working outfits, not ceremonial. Yes, that the dresses at the pic were actual working outfits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by white-wolf View Post
    Fair enough. However, only that some hats are silly.

    Lookatit at Greek pic; you see a kilt! only women wear it (and scots )

    Kilt and white dress is silly at old times, I think. How can you keep that dress white at that times? Janissaries' dresses are/were working outfits, not ceremonial. Yes, that the dresses at the pic were actual working outfits.
    Indeed you are right about white.
    And this kind of outfits that look silly had working purpose in past
    but in late years the became a stereotype

    Further more this outfit and similar that used as folklore in Greece are a form of uniformed that was largly formed by the Bavarian kingdom of Greece for example the hoses.

    As for Janissairies i had heard that the outfit of a Janissairy was practical but read also a memory of Jesuit priest in Instabul(i think) describing how unpractical was their huge hats and that constantly were falling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by white-wolf View Post
    Fair enough. However, only that some hats are silly.

    Lookatit at Greek pic; you see a kilt! only women wear it (and scots )

    Kilt and white dress is silly at old times, I think. How can you keep that dress white at that times? Janissaries' dresses are/were working outfits, not ceremonial. Yes, that the dresses at the pic were actual working outfits.


    Does he look like a woman to you???
    Furthermore
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fustanella
    While the image of warriors with frilly skirts tucked into their boots may seem impractical to a contemporary audience, it should be noted that modern paratroopers use a similar method to blouse their trousers over their jumpboots. Lace was commonly worn on military uniforms in the west until well into the 19th century, and gold braid and other adornments still serve as markers of high rank in formal military uniforms.

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    Strange I thought that by 1705. Ottomans ceased to recruit jannissaries from christian children.
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    Default Re: An folklore event in memory of resistance in Devshirme System(recruitment of Jannisairies)

    Quote Originally Posted by clandestino View Post
    Strange I thought that by 1705. Ottomans ceased to recruit jannissaries from christian children.
    Indeed it was like 1689 i think and later retried

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    Default Re: An folklore event in memory of resistance in Devshirme System(recruitment of Jannisairies)

    In a memory script with a campaigning ottoman army the british writer consider as armour the lace and other silver chains worn by albanians

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    hahah janissary hats being unpractible...I thought about that too...but hats were very important in Ottoman society for some reason I do not know...
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    Quote Originally Posted by dogukan View Post
    hahah janissary hats being unpractible...I thought about that too...but hats were very important in Ottoman society for some reason I do not know...
    They were connected with a dervish saint Hatzi Bektas that had involvment in the battle of Kosovo and the hats resemble his sleeves

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    Uhm, haji Bektash lived in 13th century, some 100 years before the battle of Kosovo.
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