Iran MP warns nuclear talks may fail

[Nikos]

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp...SF3fXJ0RoWfiww

TEHRAN — A senior Iranian MP warned Western powers on Monday against "propaganda" over Iran's new uranium enrichment facility which he said could lead to a breakdown in much-anticipated nuclear talks.
"If this propaganda is effective, the talks will fail and these countries will be back to square one," Alaeddin Borujerdi, the head of parliament's national security and foreign policy commission, told Mehr news agency.
He also said Iran "will not accept any new conditions in the nuclear issue" ahead of talks due to be held between Iran and six global powers in Geneva on Thursday.
Earlier on Monday Iran reiterated that its newly disclosed second uranium enrichment plant does not violate international law and said that concerns raised by the West were baseless.
"It does not violate any international law. Western countries are making unrealistic comments," foreign ministry spokesman Hassan Ghashghavi told reporters.
On Friday, the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) announced that Tehran had told it the Islamic republic was building a second uranium enrichment plant in addition to its existing facility at Natanz.
The revelation unleashed a global outcry against Tehran which is already at loggerheads with world powers over its controversial atomic programme.
"The allegations... the media hype is baseless," Ghashghavi said, referring to the outrage expressed by Western leaders including US President Barack Obama.
He said Iran was "prepared to clarify all aspects of the new nuclear plant."
The new enrichment facility is being constructed south of Tehran on the road to the holy city of Qom.
On Sunday, Iran's nuclear chief Ali Akbar Salehi vowed that Tehran will stick to enriching uranium up to the five percent level -- much lower than bomb-grade requirement, suggesting Tehran's atomic drive had peaceful aims.
Uranium enrichment lies at the centre of fears over Iran's controversial atomic work since the process to make nuclear fuel can also be used to make the fissile core of an atom bomb in much higher purifications of over 90 percent.
But US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, in an interview with CBS network, said "we don't believe that they can present convincing evidence that it's only for peaceful purposes, but we are going to put them to the test on October 1."
Global powers suspect Tehran's nuclear drive is aimed at making nuclear weapons. Tehran denies the charge.

Western propaganda, or real concern? Iran is taking a very dangerous line here. The West has reason to suspect that Iran is indeed working on nuclear weapons, and Iran is raising those fears by statements such as these. If the program is truly peaceful, then why the drama? What are they trying to hide?

[PointOfViewGun]

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Western propaganda, or real concern? Iran is taking a very dangerous line here. The West has reason to suspect that Iran is indeed working on nuclear weapons, and Iran is raising those fears by statements such as these. If the program is truly peaceful, then why the drama? What are they trying to hide?

They're simply a proud nation that sees West as a bully. They just don't to bow down to wishes of the West. Aggressive or simply energy oriented nuclear program, it doesn't matter. It's still state secret to them. You don't really see USA letting foreign investors enter Area 51 or Mount Cayenne(might be a different one though), do you?

[Nikos]

They're simply a proud nation that sees West as a bully. They just don't to bow down to wishes of the West. Aggressive or simply energy oriented nuclear program, it doesn't matter. It's still state secret to them. You don't really see USA letting foreign investors enter Area 51 or Mount Cayenne(might be a different one though), do you?

You don't see the leader of the US making statements about wiping other countries and off the map either.

[PointOfViewGun]

You don't see the leader of the US making statements about wiping other countries and off the map either.

Instead they're the only ones who went as far to use a nuke for real for whatever reason.
It wasn't so long ago that a president almost declared a crusade.

[Nikos]

Instead they're the only ones who went as far to use a nuke for real for whatever reason.

Straw man

It wasn't so long ago that a president almost declared a crusade.

Straw man # 2, and a ridiculous one at that. how about actually addressing my point about the Iranian president calling for the destruction of Israel, which you thin doesn't warrant an investigation into a potential nuclear program.

[PointOfViewGun]

Straw man

Nice try.
But there are a number of states with extensive nuclear capabilities which are criticized as having much less of the moral and ideals the West so called believes in yet it was only USA that used it.

Straw man # 2, and a ridiculous one at that. how about actually addressing my point about the Iranian president calling for the destruction of Israel, which you thin doesn't warrant an investigation into a potential nuclear program.

Nice try #2.
Iran haven't really made any move to invade or attack any piece of land for whatever reason. Give some legitimate reason to US may it be real or simply fabricated or misguided and they will invade or attack. Israel too got involved in government sponsored terrorist attacks in the past but their nuclear program is a taboo. On the other hand Iran acquired nuclear technology from France. I guess when the West gets some money they don't really care about it. Ahmedinejad saying that state of Israel not the people of Israel shall vanish from Earth doesn't pose any threat in this matter. At least not more than what the West can do.

[priam11]

Instead they're the only ones who went as far to use a nuke for real for whatever reason.
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Yes what was that reason again...oh yeah...... World War 2.

[Mikelus Trento]

Instead they're the only ones who went as far to use a nuke for real for whatever reason.

You know darn good and well what the reasons were for bombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

[Doctor]

Instead they're the only ones who went as far to use a nuke for real for whatever reason.

It was basic utilitarianism the estimated 1 million dead US service men in attempting to take mainland Japan outweighed that of the 200,000 Japanese needed to end the war.

[Erik]

You don't see the leader of the US making statements about wiping other countries and off the map either.

They did say they planned to conquer Iran, if Iraq hadn't bitten them in the ass.

[Vince Noir]

You don't see the leader of the US making statements about wiping other countries and off the map either.

Nothing more than disinformation, a regular from mainstream news.

Ahmadinejad's phrase was " بايد از صفحه روزگار محو شود " according to the text published on the President's Office's website, and was a quote of Ayatollah Khomeini. Furthermore, according to Juan Cole, a University of Michigan Professor of Modern Middle East and South Asian History, Ahmadinejad's statement should be translated as:

The Imam said that this regime occupying Jerusalem (een rezhim-e eshghalgar-e qods) must [vanish from] the page of time (bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad).

The Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI) translates the phrase similarly, as "be eliminated from the pages of history." According to Cole, "Ahmadinejad did not say he was going to 'wipe Israel off the map' because no such idiom exists in Persian". Instead, "He did say he hoped its regime, i.e., a Jewish-Zionist state occupying Jerusalem, would collapse."

[Phier]

Nothing more than disinformation, a regular from mainstream news.

Ahmadinejad's phrase was " بايد از صفحه روزگار محو شود " according to the text published on the President's Office's website, and was a quote of Ayatollah Khomeini. Furthermore, according to Juan Cole, a University of Michigan Professor of Modern Middle East and South Asian History, Ahmadinejad's statement should be translated as:

The Imam said that this regime occupying Jerusalem (een rezhim-e eshghalgar-e qods) must [vanish from] the page of time (bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad).

The Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI) translates the phrase similarly, as "be eliminated from the pages of history." According to Cole, "Ahmadinejad did not say he was going to 'wipe Israel off the map' because no such idiom exists in Persian". Instead, "He did say he hoped its regime, i.e., a Jewish-Zionist state occupying Jerusalem, would collapse."

This is called grasping at straws.

be eliminated from the pages of history.

Clear enough.

[Vince Noir]

This is called grasping at straws.

be eliminated from the pages of history.

Clear enough.

Clear enough how exactly? You say this quote is evidence enough that Ahmadinejad is harvesting nuclear weapons for the sole purpose of using them against Israel. Strawmen you say...did you come to this conclusion yourself? Or did Fox news fill in the blanks for you?

[Mangalore]

This is called grasping at straws.

be eliminated from the pages of history.

Clear enough.

not really because both phrases do not imply how this will be accomplished. Civil strife, guerrila war, divine intervention, war. Basically the phrases do not even imply that Iran will have anything to do with it, only that they think this supposedly unlawful regime must fall apart.

It was basic utilitarianism the estimated 1 million dead US service men in attempting to take mainland Japan outweighed that of the 200,000 Japanese needed to end the war.

This theory has been debunked shortly after the world war. The US army estimated casualties "only" in the tens of thousands and there were other options aside of direct invasion with equal chances of success because Japan's military capabilities had already been gutted to a point where they could have never enabled a successful defense anymore.

The US government simply didn't care anymore, wanted to impress the Russkies and see how these things work. I don't really blame them when looking through their eyes, but it was certainly not a stroke of humanity or goodness.

[Faris_Elghoul]

You don't see the leader of the US making statements about wiping other countries and off the map either.

He was misquoted he didnt say he wanted to remove Israel of the map.

"Ahmadinejad did not say he was going to wipe Israel off the map because no such idiom exists in Persian," remarked Juan Cole, a Middle East specialist at the University of Michigan and critic of American policy who has argued that the Iranian president was misquoted. "He did say he hoped its regime, i.e., a Jewish-Zionist state occupying Jerusalem, would collapse." Since Iran has not "attacked another country aggressively for over a century," he said in an e-mail exchange, "I smell the whiff of war propaganda."

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/11/we...11bronner.html

I'am not going to post anymore links, do your own research.

[Phier]

Soon enough my precious, soon enough....

[Sphere]

You don't really see USA letting foreign investors enter Area 51 or Mount Cayenne(might be a different one though), do you?

Of course the US allows inspectors into its nuclear production facilites, it is a signatory to the Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty it is in full compliance with its obligations to the IAEA, in terms of declaring stockpiles, facilities, and allowing inspections.

I won't go into the various START and other nuclear weapons reduction treaties the US has signed, and the new START treaty that will be signed shortly, but sufficed to say that the US has done more to reduce the production (domestic and international) and spread of nuclear weapons than any other nation. The US has been trying hard to improve the nuclear situation of the world, while Iran has been doing the opposite.

US allows stricter IAEA inspections, hopes others will follow

(And keep in mind, the US nuclear arsenal is a strategic deterent, hiding it from the rest of the world defeats the whole point.)

[Vince Noir]

So, who are these other 'targets' Iran have in mind? Enlighten me with your knowledge of Iranian foreign policy.

[Martin N]

We already went through this nuclear nonsense with iraq, please...not again. Enough reason to dismiss all this iran nonsense is that G W Bush started it, and we know he completeley fabricated the one in iraq even on the grounds that the CIA specifically told him iraq didnt have them yet he still told the public they had them, so whats the odds of him spinning his lies that iran was trying to create them ?, and also its been said that there no nearer to completing one than they ever was, and thats heavily grasping at straws because its not even proven they are trying to create one in the first place.

God forbid we do go to war and its yet again a wasteful, horrific war that was no more justified than iraq, a waste of resources that could of been used elsewhere.

[Mikelus Trento]

God forbid we do go to war and its yet again a wasteful, horrific war

And may God also forbid they get their hands on a nuke and toss it someone's way.