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    A new delay has been announced in the publication of the findings into the £200m (€222m) Bloody Sunday Inquiry.

    Lord Saville’s findings will not now be ready until next March, more than six years after the marathon probe ended into the January 1972 shootings in Derry.

    Downing Street had been expected to take delivery of the report later this year - Christmas at the latest.

    But Northern Ireland Secretary Shaun Woodward has now been told it will not be ready until March 22 next year.

    Relatives of the victims expressed disbelief at the new hold up and a clearly exasperated Mr Woodward said he was concerned by the delay.

    He added: “I am concerned at the impact on the families of those who lost loved ones and those who were injured. I am equally concerned at the increased anxiety that soldiers serving on the day will suffer.”

    Thirteen men were shot dead when British Paratroopers opened fire on civil rights marchers in the city's Bogside. A 14th man, who was among the wounded, died later in hospital.

    The Saville Inquiry, which sat mostly in Derry’s Guildhall, but also in London, effectively ended in 2004, though three witnesses were heard later.

    The first witness gave evidence in November 2000.

    The inquiry was set up by the then British Prime Minister Tony Blair in January 1998 as a major concession to nationalists and republicans as part of the developing peace process.

    But the length of time it took to complete, and especially the costs involved – they currently stand at £188m (€208.6m) – has been subject of fierce criticism among Unionist and Conservative MPs.

    Tonight’s confirmation of yet another delay in publication of the report infuriated relatives of the victims.
    http://breakingnews.ie/ireland/bloody-sunday-findings-hit-by-new-delay-427499.html

    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...breaking72.htm

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    Dere's more to Ireland dan dis.
    falnk with cavlary. stay a way from muder hoels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dodge View Post
    Dere's more to Ireland dan dis.
    There's certainly more to Ireland than clichéd accents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruire View Post
    There's certainly more to Ireland than clichéd accents.
    ya, like drinking guinness and beating your wife

    no, I joke

    Anyhoo, I guess I can't really comment too much on this, as I'm just an ignorant American who knows nothing about this beyond some Irish were killed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Last Roman View Post
    ya, like drinking guinness and beating your wife

    no, I joke

    Anyhoo, I guess I can't really comment too much on this, as I'm just an ignorant American who knows nothing about this beyond some Irish were killed.
    yeah, pretty much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dodge View Post
    Dere's more to Ireland dan dis.
    Theres more to bloody Sunday than Alan Partridges sketch on it. Funny though, very funny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eire_Emerald View Post
    Theres more to bloody Sunday than Alan Partridges sketch on it. Funny though, very funny.
    ‘Sunday Bloody Sunday’. What a great song. It really encapsulates the frustration of a Sunday, doesn’t it? You wake up in the morning, you’ve got to read all the Sunday papers, the kids are running round, you’ve got to mow the lawn, wash the car, and you think “Sunday, bloody Sunday!

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    It's expected to last longer than New Labours time in power. What a huge waste of money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paxman View Post
    It's expected to last longer than New Labours time in power. What a huge waste of money.
    Waste of money? I would like to see you say that if you were family of the people killed that day. These people want justice for what happened, and they are getting nothing. they have been waiting so long. Nothing.

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    What of all the families/servicemen that died from IRA bombings, what justice will they see?

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    Tell ya the truth I think this was long enough ago that they should just close the investigations and be done with it...Don't need to be dredging this kinda thing up anymore.

    In regards to servicemen...they shouldn't have been there and they knew what they were getting into going...I only feel sorry for the civilians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paxman View Post
    What of all the families/servicemen that died from IRA bombings, what justice will they see?
    It's Sinn Fein double standards. IRA killers get released but they want British soldiers imprisoned. (Note I'm not saying what they did was right, just SF are hypocritical tits, as Pat Cox pointed out on RTE a few nights ago)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paxman View Post
    What of all the families/servicemen that died from IRA bombings, what justice will they see?
    You mean the service men doing their job in Northern Ireland under a sectarian Government? You are comparing them to innocent civil rights marchers?

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    What a load of nonsense this is. Can't a court do its duty, free of partisanship, and just deliver a verdict? Six years of waiting is enough, already! I know almost nothing about the events of Bloody Sunday, but this verdict is a thing of the law, not of politics.
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    Tell ya the truth I think this was long enough ago that they should just close the investigations and be done with it...Don't need to be dredging this kinda thing up anymore.
    That's why i think it's a waste of money, there were plenty of atrocities committed by both sides during the troubles that went unpunished. Why does this one need an investigation almost 40 years later?

    You mean the service men doing their job in Northern Ireland under a sectarian Government? You are comparing them to innocent civil rights marchers?
    Where did i compare them? Like you said, they were doing their job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paxman View Post
    That's why i think it's a waste of money, there were plenty of atrocities committed by both sides during the troubles. Why does this one need an investigation almost 40 years later?
    are you that ignorant?
    http://www.bloody-sunday-inquiry.org.uk/index2.asp?p=1
    There were inconsistencies in the report. The investigation found no conclusive proof that the dead or wounded had been shot while handling a firearm, yet Lord Widgery concluded that the soldiers had been fired on first. Widgery admitted that the soldiers' firing "bordered on the reckless".
    Many eyewitnesses were not called and testimony was not taken from wounded survivors.
    The interpretation of forensic evidence was flawed. Widgery concluded from firearms residue found on swabs taken from the bodies of the deceased that they had been in close contact with firearms. He dismissed any other possibilities.
    The possibility of shooting directed into the Catholic Bogside area of Londonderry from the city walls, hitting and killing victims, was not given proper consideration.


    If the documents were released in the first place the inquiry would be closed. Thye have something to hide? There is an inquiry because of the inconsistencies in the Government report on the day. The family of the dead want answers.
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    Why am i being ignorant? I know what happened that day.
    If the documents were released in the first place the inquiry would be closed. Thye have something to hide? There is an inquiry because of the inconsistencies in the Government report on the day. The family of the dead want answers.
    I'm not arguing about that, i'm just saying that i think spending hundreds of millions of pounds on an inquiry about an event that happened almost 40 years ago in a war that is now supposedly over is pointless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paxman View Post
    Why am i being ignorant? I know what happened that day.
    I'm not arguing about that, i'm just saying that i think spending hundreds of millions of pounds on an inquiry about an event that happened almost 40 years ago in a war that is now supposedly over is pointless.
    Bloody Sunday was a tragic day for all concerned. the families all wish that it had never happened. Their concern now is simply to establish the truth, and to close this painful chapter once and for all. Like the Hon. Member for Foyle, members of the families of the victims have conducted a long campaign to that end. I have heard some of their remarks over recent years and have been struck by their dignity. Most do not want recrimination; they do not want revenge; but they want the truth.

    I believe that it is in everyone's interests that the truth be established and told. That is also the way forward to the necessary reconciliation that will be such an important part of building a secure future for the people of Northern Ireland. I ask Hon. Members of all parties to support our proposal for this inquiry.

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    What can they be doing which would possibly cost 188 million pounds?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phier View Post
    What can they be doing which would possibly cost 188 million pounds?
    God know, I just want to know what the they are hiding.

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