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    Clearly he wants more school days for his socialist indoctrination.

    He wants us to be "equal" with the rest of the world in things like "math" and "science"...

    More public school days means more days of government control over your kids life...

    He wants to take away the rights of your child to play...

    So much more. Oh my, what shall we do?

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    WASHINGTON – Students beware: The summer vacation you just enjoyed could be sharply curtailed if President Barack Obama gets his way.
    Obama says American kids spend too little time in school, putting them at a disadvantage with other students around the globe.
    "Now, I know longer school days and school years are not wildly popular ideas," the president said earlier this year. "Not with Malia and Sasha, not in my family, and probably not in yours. But the challenges of a new century demand more time in the classroom."
    The president, who has a sixth-grader and a third-grader, wants schools to add time to classes, to stay open late and to let kids in on weekends so they have a safe place to go.
    "Our school calendar is based upon the agrarian economy and not too many of our kids are working the fields today," Education Secretary Arne Duncan said in a recent interview with The Associated Press.
    Fifth-grader Nakany Camara is of two minds. She likes the four-week summer program at her school, Brookhaven Elementary School in Rockville, Md. Nakany enjoys seeing her friends there and thinks summer school helped boost her grades from two Cs to the honor roll.
    But she doesn't want a longer school day. "I would walk straight out the door," she said.
    Domonique Toombs felt the same way when she learned she would stay for an extra three hours each day in sixth grade at Boston's Clarence R. Edwards Middle School.
    "I was like, `Wow, are you serious?'" she said. "That's three more hours I won't be able to chill with my friends after school."
    Her school is part of a 3-year-old state initiative to add 300 hours of school time in nearly two dozen schools. Early results are positive. Even reluctant Domonique, who just started ninth grade, feels differently now. "I've learned a lot," she said.
    Does Obama want every kid to do these things? School until dinnertime? Summer school? And what about the idea that kids today are overscheduled and need more time to play?
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    Obama and Duncan say kids in the United States need more school because kids in other nations have more school.
    "Young people in other countries are going to school 25, 30 percent longer than our students here," Duncan told the AP. "I want to just level the playing field."
    While it is true that kids in many other countries have more school days, it's not true they all spend more time in school.
    Kids in the U.S. spend more hours in school (1,146 instructional hours per year) than do kids in the Asian countries that persistently outscore the U.S. on math and science tests — Singapore (903), Taiwan (1,050), Japan (1,005) and Hong Kong (1,013). That is despite the fact that Taiwan, Japan and Hong Kong have longer school years (190 to 201 days) than does the U.S. (180 days).
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    Regardless, there is a strong case for adding time to the school day.
    Researcher Tom Loveless of the Brookings Institution looked at math scores in countries that added math instruction time. Scores rose significantly, especially in countries that added minutes to the day, rather than days to the year.
    "Ten minutes sounds trivial to a school day, but don't forget, these math periods in the U.S. average 45 minutes," Loveless said. "Percentage-wise, that's a pretty healthy increase."
    In the U.S., there are many examples of gains when time is added to the school day.
    Charter schools are known for having longer school days or weeks or years. For example, kids in the KIPP network of 82 charter schools across the country go to school from 7:30 a.m. to 5 p.m., more than three hours longer than the typical day. They go to school every other Saturday and for three weeks in the summer. KIPP eighth-grade classes exceed their school district averages on state tests.
    In Massachusetts' expanded learning time initiative, early results indicate that kids in some schools do better on state tests than do kids at regular public schools. The extra time, which schools can add as hours or days, is for three things: core academics — kids struggling in English, for example, get an extra English class; more time for teachers; and enrichment time for kids.
    Regular public schools are adding time, too, though it is optional and not usually part of the regular school day. Their calendar is pretty much set in stone. Most states set the minimum number of school days at 180 days, though a few require 175 to 179 days.
    Several schools are going year-round by shortening summer vacation and lengthening other breaks.
    Many schools are going beyond the traditional summer school model, in which schools give remedial help to kids who flunked or fell behind.
    Summer is a crucial time for kids, especially poorer kids, because poverty is linked to problems that interfere with learning, such as hunger and less involvement by their parents.
    That makes poor children almost totally dependent on their learning experience at school, said Karl Alexander, a sociology professor at Baltimore's Johns Hopkins University, home of the National Center for Summer Learning.
    Disadvantaged kids, on the whole, make no progress in the summer, Alexander said. Some studies suggest they actually fall back. Wealthier kids have parents who read to them, have strong language skills and go to great lengths to give them learning opportunities such as computers, summer camp, vacations, music lessons, or playing on sports teams.
    "If your parents are high school dropouts with low literacy levels and reading for pleasure is not hard-wired, it's hard to be a good role model for your children, even if you really want to be," Alexander said.
    Extra time is not cheap. The Massachusetts program costs an extra $1,300 per student, or 12 percent to 15 percent more than regular per-student spending, said Jennifer Davis, a founder of the program. It received more than $17.5 million from the state Legislature last year.
    The Montgomery County, Md., summer program, which includes Brookhaven, received $1.6 million in federal stimulus dollars to operate this year and next, but it runs for only 20 days.
    Aside from improving academic performance, Education Secretary Duncan has a vision of schools as the heart of the community. Duncan, who was Chicago's schools chief, grew up studying alongside poor kids on the city's South Side as part of the tutoring program his mother still runs.
    "Those hours from 3 o'clock to 7 o'clock are times of high anxiety for parents," Duncan said. "They want their children safe. Families are working one and two and three jobs now to make ends meet and to keep food on the table."

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    hahaha nice thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jabberwock View Post
    Clearly he wants more school days for his socialist indoctrination.

    He wants us to be "equal" with the rest of the world in things like "math" and "science"...

    More public school days means more days of government control over your kids life...

    He wants to take away the rights of your child to play...

    So much more. Oh my, what shall we do?
    You're being sarcastic, right?

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    I think he's being sarcastic?


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    Anyways, there's plenty of valid reasons why you should NOT have more school hours, besides paranoid ramblings.

    At the end of an eight hour day, you don't pay any attention at all. That's a problem, and it's not a problem which is easy to solve. It's better to just increase the quality of the 6 hour day.
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    More school = good. But the money?

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    this cant effect private schools can it????? CAN IT???

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    ... They often say that people who do not have children cannot appreciate the precious necessity of a child's mind. I understand quite well how deleterious this is. I put a pox on Obama's house.
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    Since I'm in my last year of high school, I fully support this.

    Had I a few more years to go, my opinion would surely be different...

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    Extend school by an hour, maybe. I'd prefer if they just improved the quality of the classes.

    But don't take away recess. When I was in Middle School, that was the thing I missed most about Elementary School. Kids need recess; they need time outside to play and, well, be kids.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaximiIian View Post
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    What happened to quality over quantity? Just because kids are at school longer doesn't mean their going to be smarter. I know after 8 hours of being at school my mind was done.

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    God dammit standards-based education and testing is the problem not the school year. Teens need to get jobs too.
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    how about reducing class sizes from 46 to something around 20 for a start. Smaller class size means people will be paying more attention instead of hiding in the back and texting all day long. Small classrooms means every is on the firing line.

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    Schools need more dicipline and better teachers, when I was in 'high school' kids would just skip lessons they didn't want to go to and they argued back to teachers. In my opinion they should bring back the cane or better yet, a lash. Kids today are lazy, more time in school would just make them more reluctant to be there.

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    I see this as an admission of failure of the public school program. Extending the year is simply a knee-jerk reaction. More school time will only discourage future teachers and create more funding problems.

    It's the interventionist mindset at work. When an program is failing, make it bigger; if it continues to fail, throw more money at it. The end result will be the same.

    Public schools are failing not due to lack of instruction time, but due to the influence of a popular culture that encourages mediocrity, thuggish behavior, and unaccountable personal autonomy, in addition to an economy that forces both parents to work to sustain a reasonable standard of living under the crushing weight of government overhead.

    The prevailing philosophy of the masses (including a large number of TWC members) is that the state is responsible for education. It is not. The individual and family are responsible for education.
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    It's not much better than No Child Left Behind: throw money at the problem, and maybe it'll go away.
    Except, you know, it won't. We need reform in terms of quality, not quantity.

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    I love to see longer school years for kids, but would the teachers complain and go on strike if Obama pushes it? Also for class sizes. Teachers NEED to stop complaining. Kids need to learn to work in a large class size. My college class sizes were about 40 students.

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    Quote Originally Posted by B5C View Post
    I love to see longer school years for kids, but would the teachers complain and go on strike if Obama pushes it? Also for class sizes. Teachers NEED to stop complaining. Kids need to learn to work in a large class size. My college class sizes were about 40 students.

    its abit easier for an 18 year old to work in a 40 student class than a 7 year old

    as a kid that goes to high school i can say it is rare to find a kid that struggles and is trying his best to do something about it. making school longer and more boring isnt going to help that.

    what needs to change is that people with mediocre grades shouldnt be alowed into a university over a middle class white kid because they are rich or are from native american, asian, hispanic, black descent.

    im not being racist, just dont think it is fair.
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    More time with the teachers union, that will help.

    If he cared about education they wouldn't have prevented the voucher system and kept poor kids out of private schools where they might learn something.

    This included the very successful Washington DC program.
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