Interesting developements.

[talknight2]

SS6.2 1450 campaign with RR compilation.
I'm the English.
For some reason the diplomacy screen insists that The Dominions of the Teutonic Order still exist... 20 years after the Poles and Danes wiped them off the map.

[Sir Walter]

England took Scotland, Scotland took Norway and Norway took Sweden?

And is that Byzantium with Crimea?

[talknight2]

No actually that's the remains of Venice in Crimea. I think the Byzantines don't exist in the 1450 campaign.

[Sir Walter]

No actually that's the remains of Venice in Crimea. I think the Byzantines don't exist in the 1450 campaign.

Oh! Wow... weird. Ah well, sorry I can't help with your problem, ask Caesar or someone

[Gnostiko]

No actually that's the remains of Venice in Crimea. I think the Byzantines don't exist in the 1450 campaign.

Yep, it's Venice, and nope, the Romans are still playable in 1450.

[aduellist]

The Teutonic Order, due to its status as an emergent horde faction, cannot be destroyed by taking all their settlements. That's been reported and discussed several times.

[Tacitursa]

You have to hunt down and kill all of there diplomats , spys , assasins etc

[Kazuhiro]

Do i see turks in Toledo?!

[Sir Walter]

Jihads... I saw Fatimids in Zaragoza and a Kwarezmian army on their way to it heading back via Genoa

[gta_140]

lol at the papal states and scotland

[Loose Cannon]

That's just normal for 6.2. The ERE started with only 2 provinces so the turks wiped them and Venice out. The Papal states went ballistic on Sicily. Norway actually starts as Sweden and Scotland likes to go for where Norway was. And yes the Teutonic Order has one General wandering around somewhere on the map.

I'm surprised at how well the AI controlled Moors & Mongols are doing.

[talknight2]

The Turks marched a Jihad army all the way across Europe to take Toledo, then about 10 years later marched that very same army all the way back for a Jihad on Vienna.... O.o

Actually it was the Holy Roman Empire that destroyed Naples and Aragon that took Sicily. Then they made the mistake of attacking the pope.... Now Papal armies are fielding Sicilian Muslim Archers WTF?!

Norway didn't start as Sweden, they migrated there after the Danes took Norway. Then I started a war against Scotland and they migrated to Norway. Now the Norwegians are taking their revenge against the Danes and are about to wipe them off with the help of the Scots.

I'm also pretty amazed that the Khwarezmians are still alive after 50 years fighting the Mongols. In 6.1 they would lose their capital and royal family on turn 3 every time.

The Crusaders have been pushed out of the Holy Land by the Egyptians and are now trying to get back into the mainland through the Ottoman territories, as you can see in Greece.

Freaky stuff.

[Loose Cannon]

Ok, apparently you did not look at the map with FOW off on the first turn. Aragon starts in control of the island of Sicily. The faction Sicily starts with only Naples & Bari. Norway starts in Sweden not with their normal provinces, those start as independent. The Crusader States start with only Rhodes & Cyrprus-no mainland territory, and no real chance of getting the Holy land back. Venice starts with Athens but at war with the Turks. The Papal States get the units available to Sicily because of the AOR in southern Italy. The Mongols do not get the starting stacks they get in the Late champaign in the 1450 champaign, that's why I'm wondered about their success. Also the Moors tend to get dogpiled by the AI.

None of this is "freaky"-you did notice Aragon merged into Leon & Castile on turn 19-all this stuff is done for a more historicly accurate game. The faction destruction caused by loss of family members is another fix of 6.2

[gta_140]

Way to be a buzz kill Loose Cannon

[Sir Walter]

Ok, apparently you did not look at the map with FOW off on the first turn. Aragon starts in control of the island of Sicily. The faction Sicily starts with only Naples & Bari. Norway starts in Sweden not with their normal provinces, those start as independent. The Crusader States start with only Rhodes & Cyrprus-no mainland territory, and no real chance of getting the Holy land back. Venice starts with Athens but at war with the Turks. The Papal States get the units available to Sicily because of the AOR in southern Italy. The Mongols do not get the starting stacks they get in the Late champaign in the 1450 champaign, that's why I'm wondered about their success. Also the Moors tend to get dogpiled by the AI.

None of this is "freaky"-you did notice Aragon merged into Leon & Castile on turn 19-all this stuff is done for a more historicly accurate game. The faction destruction caused by loss of family members is another fix of 6.2

Well, I never use FOW anyway so I'm not surprised that he didn't know to be honest.

[talknight2]

Ok, apparently you did not look at the map with FOW off on the first turn. Aragon starts in control of the island of Sicily. The faction Sicily starts with only Naples & Bari. Norway starts in Sweden not with their normal provinces, those start as independent. The Crusader States start with only Rhodes & Cyrprus-no mainland territory, and no real chance of getting the Holy land back. Venice starts with Athens but at war with the Turks. The Papal States get the units available to Sicily because of the AOR in southern Italy. The Mongols do not get the starting stacks they get in the Late champaign in the 1450 champaign, that's why I'm wondered about their success. Also the Moors tend to get dogpiled by the AI.

None of this is "freaky"-you did notice Aragon merged into Leon & Castile on turn 19-all this stuff is done for a more historicly accurate game. The faction destruction caused by loss of family members is another fix of 6.2

I'm looking at the map right now. Seems you are right. The map at the faction selection screen is not synchronized with the actual campaign map. Venice has the entire Dalmation Coast, Athens and Crimea.

Why in the world does Norway start as Sweden? Could've atleast changed the faction name...

[PerXX]

I'm looking at the map right now. Seems you are right. The map at the faction selection screen is not synchronized with the actual campaign map. Venice has the entire Dalmation Coast, Athens and Crimea.

Why in the world does Norway start as Sweden? Could've atleast changed the faction name...

As I understand it, the 1450 campaign is highly experiemental, and far from finished. It's main purpose is simply to show off the late era units without having to wait for them.

[Sir Walter]

As I understand it, the 1450 campaign is highly experiemental, and far from finished. It's main purpose is simply to show off the late era units without having to wait for them.

Proper late era comes in PB's next mod I think.

[talknight2]

Which is?

[Loose Cannon]

Which is?

Soon, very soon. Like, maybe a couple of minutes but no later than the end of the day (I hope)