Taiwan stops Uighur Terrorist-supporter visit

[sephodwyrm]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8274588.stm
OK, the original article says activist.
But what this woman, Rebiya Kadeer, supported is outright terrorist activity, complete with fabricated lies and outright slander against the Chinese people.
I'm glad that my government did something right...after a rather long hiatus, when it comes to diplomatic relationships.

[Exarch]

i'm ashamed australia invited her, glad that taiwan didnt.

EDIT: and in any case it'd be against ROC policy anyway,
xinjiang remains a part of unoccupied territories of the ROC

[sephodwyrm]

xinjiang remains a part of unoccupied territories of the ROC

As is the rest of China besides Pescadores, Jinmen, Mazu and Taiwan...and some islands that I can't recall.

What white people do is beyond my concerns.
But I'm glad that Taiwan didn't jump into the same hoop as those people.
What those people did in Xinjiang is outright terrorism and murder against Han civilians. And they know it.

[cristophe el perno]

My reading of it is that China said that she supported terrorist activity, and there isn't neccessarily any evidence that that is the case. The Chinese government isn't exactly known for its friendly treatment of opposition, so I'm willing to believe that shes more sinned against than sinning. Hows about fabricated lies and slander against her - in my view that seems more than likely.
Why should she not be allowed to travel freely?

[sephodwyrm]

Why should she not be allowed to travel freely?

Because she vocally sponsored violent separatism and fabricated the lie that ten thousand Uyghurs have supposedly gone "missing" (serious perjury), and used pictures from other events to say how the Han is killing her people (plagiarism and perjury).

I'm willing to believe that shes more sinned against than sinning

Cut the crap. More than 150 people were murdered by professional throat slitting gangs. Instead of speaking out against violence, she pretended that none of these happened and that all the people who were killed were Uyghurs when most of them are actually Han. She speaks about a racially purified Xinjiang where Han people, many of them were born there, would have to leave. What's worse, is that she plays the race card, saying how Yellow people are suppressing the "White" Uyghurs.

As much as she claims that the riots and attacks were caused by the injustice of the Chinese government against the Uyghurs, the very same reasons were used by a Saud named Usama bin Laden to justify the 911 attacks.

[Exarch]

i just love how she's painted as this sensible librarian type woman by sympathetic (usually western) media;
and ppl in the West, more motivated by their sinophobia than by the rights of uighurs will support this woman if not for the prospect of a balkanized China and the elimination of a potentially dangerous foe

[sephodwyrm]

Well, wasn't she torn apart after meeting some European dignitaries who questioned her intention, her "facts" and the supposed actions of the Chinese government?

I'm glad that there's at least some people with sense.
And simply more glad that Taiwan is getting her fair share of sense...for once.

[Exarch]

Well, wasn't she torn apart after meeting some European dignitaries who questioned her intention, her "facts" and the supposed actions of the Chinese government?

I'm glad that there's at least some people with sense.
And simply more glad that Taiwan is getting her fair share of sense...for once.

lulz

yeah, heard about that

and in regards to xinjiang, claims of so called 'cultural genocide' are apparently making the official language mandarin chinese, and teaching kids in mandarin.
it's as ridiculous as native cherokee indians in arizona not wanting to learn english in schools citing it as 'cultural genocide'

EDIT: oh that reminds me, it's alright for americans/australians/canadains etc et al to hapr on about this policy of "cultural genocide" after they've culturally and physically genocided their natives.

LAst i heard, the Chinese gov was working with the uighur natives in developing and governing the autonomous region

[Zhangir]

. More than 150 people were murdered by professional throat slitting gangs. Instead of speaking out against violence, she pretended that none of these happened and that all the people who were killed were Uyghurs when most of them are actually Han. She speaks about a racially purified Xinjiang where Han people, many of them were born there, would have to leave. What's worse, is that she plays the race card, saying how Yellow people are suppressing the "White" Uyghurs.

Lol, you aware that out of 150 there are Uighurs as well? And you still blame that woman )))) That is ridiculous. Are you even serious?
You said yourself although most were Han, the rest were Uighur.

You can't possibly attribute violence on ethnic/discrimination/racist grounds to a Woman from a Victim group who hasn't even been living freely in Xinjiang for the last 10 years.

[hellheaven1987]

Na, it is better to block her visit, consider ROC firmly hold that XinJiang is part of ROC.

About whether XinJiang should indepedant, I would not comment it; all I can point out is that PRC has much less wisdom regarding controlling non-Hans compare to Qing Dynasty.

[sephodwyrm]

LAst i heard, the Chinese gov was working with the uighur natives in developing and governing the autonomous region

Not to mention that the autonomous region under the charge of Nur Bekri.
Who, under BBC labeling, is Chinese.
He's an ethnic Uyghur. BBC should decide what it means by "Chinese" and "Chinese" and "China".

That shouldn't really matter. Taiwan decided to play smart and truthful for once.

Qing Dynasty

What? Wait for them to commit actual genocide against non Turkic and non-Muslim populations, and kill millions in retribution and scatter them again throughout Northern China?

[hellheaven1987]

What? Wait for them to commit actual genocide against non Turkic and non-Muslim populations, and kill millions in retribution and scatter them again throughout Northern China?

What Qing wanted was:

1. No rebellions.

2. Knowledge that Qing was the boss.

Resettlement happened when there was rebellion, which was extremely rare; besides, Qing government actually promoted self-governed for those regions, and forbidden Hans to immigrate into those areas in order to preserve the local culture.

The problem of XinJiang is, like the crisis between Malaysia and Singapore between 1960s, a overrun population of non-native trying to take over an area which share very different culture than central government. Obviously, the local population would piss off (like Malay, who piss off that Chinese tried to take over Malaya), and tension obviously happens because that.

[sephodwyrm]

Resettlement happened when there was rebellion, which was extremely rare

Go read about the Great Muslim revolt of the 1860s, then come back to me. That "rare" revolt killed millions.
Currently, Xinjiang autonomous region has a largely Uyghur staff makeup. Ran by non-natives?
Gimme a break.

The problem of XinJiang is, like the crisis between Malaysia and Singapore between 1960s

A laughable comparison.
Unfortunately I also took history classes in Singapore. The 1960s had nothing to compare with the current Xinjiang issue. Singapore wasn't trying to become independent from Malaysia. The reverse was true. Malaysia can't tolerate Singapore as a member of the federation. Singapore is the only country who earned its independence by getting it FORCED upon them.

[persianfan247]

The whole syringe attack thing sounded suspect to me, why would "terrorists" being doing that and then claim that they didn't, what was the point of the attacks in the first place if not to say if you don't leave east Turkestan now we will kill you all or something along those lines.

[sephodwyrm]

The whole syringe attack thing sounded suspect to me

Anything would sound suspect to you. Especially because panicked and angry HAN civilians blockaded the autonomous region government offices and demanded that they take some actions against the syringe attacks.

[persianfan247]

Yes of course anything sounds suspect to me, right. I am not claiming they didn't do it, just that when I consider these two things it doesn't seem to make complete sense, of course it might be the case that they merely denie it to make themselves appear innocent and the Chinese government evil or a possible other reason why they denied it. But it is not clear.

Now I don't know what the Chinese government would be willing to do, but would it really be that far fetched that these Syringe attacks have nothing to do with the Uighurs and that the Chinese government are merely taking advantage of this, or that the Han Chinese populace are merely being paranoid. In conclusion I don't think things are really clear enough to understand what was really going on.

I you saying that I should just accept things at face value, if I see something that appears wrong shouldn't I point our what "appears" to be inconsistencies, sure its no excuse if I could found out more that would explain away these inconsistencies and I may have failed to do so in this case.

To act upon what you do not know is foolish, yes? and that is what I have done in part here, but do you really know whom was responsible for the syringe attacks, maybe it was some Uighurs, maybe at the same time it has nothing to do with said Uighurs wishing to became independent. What evidence for the syringe attacks being about terrorism.

I am not judging this as proof that Uighurs or this woman had nothing to do with those attacks, that is you reading too much into what I am saying, those angry Han civilians could just as easily be the result of paranoia created by misinformation, whether deliberate or accidental. I mean what evidence do they have that the attacks had anything to do with Uighur Independence. Note

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8249848.stm

The source and scale of the recent attacks by hypodermic needle also remain unclear - so far none of the reported victims of the attacks have suffered poisoning or other effects.

The syringe attacks have provoked more panic than actual injuries, according to reports from hospitals where people have appeared claiming attacks but carrying no sign of injury.

Sounds like paranoia in part, to me.


Just to be clear what I am doing is not outright supporting any view untill 'I' have better infomation.

[Exarch]

Yes of course anything sounds suspect to me, right. I am not claiming they didn't do it, just that when I consider these two things it doesn't seem to make complete sense, of course it might be the case that they merely denie it to make themselves appear innocent and the Chinese government evil or a possible other reason why they denied it. But it is not clear.

Now I don't know what the Chinese government would be willing to do, but would it really be that far fetched that these Syringe attacks have nothing to do with the Uighurs and that the Chinese government are merely taking advantage of this, or that the Han Chinese populace are merely being paranoid. In conclusion I don't think things are really clear enough to understand what was really going on.

I you saying that I should just accept things at face value, if I see something that appears wrong shouldn't I point our what "appears" to be inconsistencies, sure its no excuse if I could found out more that would explain away these inconsistencies and I may have failed to do so in this case.

To act upon what you do not know is foolish, yes? and that is what I have done in part here, but do you really know whom was responsible for the syringe attacks, maybe it was some Uighurs, maybe at the same time it has nothing to do with said Uighurs wishing to became independent. What evidence for the syringe attacks being about terrorism.

I am not judging this as proof that Uighurs or this woman had nothing to do with those attacks, that is you reading too much into what I am saying, those angry Han civilians could just as easily be the result of paranoia created by misinformation, whether deliberate or accidental. I mean what evidence do they have that the attacks had anything to do with Uighur Independence. Note

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8249848.stm



Sounds like paranoia in part, to me.


Just to be clear what I am doing is not outright supporting any view untill 'I' have better infomation.

considering that Xinjiang has amongst the highest HIV rates in China, it's understandable if ppl get a wee bit upset about being stabbed in a crowded place with a damn syringe.

i'd kill the er who did that to me. i'd kill them by gouging out their eyes and breaking apart their skull and somehow, i'd find just enough rage to accomplish that.

[sephodwyrm]

and that the Chinese government are merely taking advantage of this

Do you think the Chinese government are in any way benefiting from the syringe attacks?
If so, how?
Because there's no benefit for China to antagonize the relationship between the Uyghurs and the Hans. I don't see how they benefit from it.

[johncage]

the chinese are terrorists themselves. don't forget falun gong.

[Timotheus Londinium]

the chinese are terrorists themselves. don't forget falun gong.

You will get the idea when scientology is making the policy for your country. And if you think scientology is crazy enough, falun gong is even worse than that.