$1,000,000 to whoever can conquer the whole map first, who do you pick?

**tallstark** · September 25, 2009, 12:02 PM

Rules are it can't be Mordor; vh/vh, RR/RC. Who do you pick, why, and whats your plan?

My first take, who has decent early units, is close enough to a large number of rebels to quickly build economic base, and can deal with trolls/Olog when they show up without losing too much momentum?

Without thinking too much about it, first impressions are I am going to go with Rhun. Strategy will be to blitz Dale, try for trade rights with dwarves and as quickly as possible get Dark Lord to declare a crusade. Its kind of cheating I know, but its $1M! So you use the crusdade to kill a path at least to the river, turtle once the crusade is over for 10-15 turns to build culture, rebuild RR units, then make your next big push up to Silvans. Again, give a city up north to dwarves and they will generally stay out of it a bit longer, as by now they have OOTMM issues. from there I am not sure, but I think I will give this one a try!

General thoughts are it makes sense to play evil so you can abuse the crusade system, you can get another evil faction to attack you and fall out of favor, kill all goods until you run into next evil faction, save Mordor for last...

**servium** · September 25, 2009, 12:32 PM

eeuhm dwarves cuz they are coowl and nothing stands taller then the might of the dwarves and... i would use the capture settlement cheat and if that doesnt work then the money cheat+the cheat where you can move ur army anywhere

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i wanted to put something really smart cuz i love rome total war and i won against all my freinds with the hotseat campaign.
but i need to get to my mothers 50st birthday so i gotta go. BYE

**Muffer Nl** · September 25, 2009, 12:58 PM

Dwarves...
Why? In my Ai controlled games (All of them) they were the largest or the second largest empire. Ultimatly they defeated Mordor sometimes.

**tallstark** · September 25, 2009, 01:28 PM

Originally Posted by Muffer Nl

Dwarves...
Why? In my Ai controlled games (All of them) they were the largest or the second largest empire. Ultimatly they defeated Mordor sometimes.

I just don't see how a good faction could conquer the whole thing first? Evil almost always leaves the other evil factions alone as long as they are fighting good somewhere, and you can take advantage of crusades to get extra move and zero upkeep bonuses on a relatively frequent basis. Especially with RR/RC, you are going to have to march some native units a long way (lots of upkeep) to get to the front lines, dwarves more than anyone I would say. Remember its on VH/VH too, I don't see any good faction being able to dominate. As soon as you get too big you are going to draw the attenion of all the evil factions at once.

**GrumpyBean** · September 25, 2009, 01:51 PM

I would choose Harad because they have a generally good roster and can expand very quickly without much opposition.

**Maca** · September 25, 2009, 01:55 PM

Mordor.

They have a large, and hostile neighbour who can be taken out reasonably quickly. After that, with the hordes that you would be able to afford, ME is your playground.

Edit: Just realised it can't be Mordor

Harad then, for much the same reasons.

**Twist of Cain** · September 29, 2009, 07:11 AM

Originally Posted by Muffer Nl

Dwarves...
Why? In my Ai controlled games (All of them) they were the largest or the second largest empire. Ultimatly they defeated Mordor sometimes.

Perhaps the dwarves are (balancce wise) more hampered by unit cost and upkeep than other factions, a factor mitigated by money scripts for the AI? Not sure how the money scripts work in TATW but in some mods I've seen when they pass, say -10,000 it sets them back to a positive number like 5,000. The irony is that it "rewards" bad AI spending strategies (poor unit purchase preferences included, I suppose) by resetting those factions to having spendable income more often, the faster they can get themselves in debt. So contrary to expectations the in-debt AI factions who lose the most money, end up being the ones with the most money to spend.

In other words, if the script in TATW works like that, your results might just mean the dwarves are capable of losing money faster than any other faction.

I'm a little curious now how AI finances usually look, wonder if they are in the red most of the time or not...

**axnsan** · September 29, 2009, 07:20 AM

Originally Posted by Twist of Cain

In other words, if the script in TATW works like that, your results might just mean the dwarves are capable of losing money faster than any other faction.

Yeah that's pretty much how it works

**Devils_Advocate** · September 25, 2009, 01:08 PM

**Vaz** · September 25, 2009, 04:33 PM

Originally Posted by Devils_Advocate

I love you. I'm am so saving this.

**Zhangir** · September 25, 2009, 01:58 PM

Hold on... real Us dollars? ))))

**GrumpyBean** · September 25, 2009, 02:01 PM

probably not

**Killerbee** · September 25, 2009, 02:04 PM

Originally Posted by Zhangir

Hold on... real Us dollars? ))))

No , we're talking about 1 million 'k-relsdf'dfm' , the official coin in the small city state Khordronachda on the imaginary , purple planet 'Brobbosan'

**Momus** · September 25, 2009, 02:55 PM

Originally Posted by Mr.Blackadder

No , we're talking about 1 million 'k-relsdf'dfm' , the official coin in the small city state Khordronachda on the imaginary , purple planet 'Brobbosan'

I thought it was from London, a small village on Mars, just outside the capital city of Wibble

**Killerbee** · September 25, 2009, 03:58 PM

No , you're confusing it with the 'k-belsdf'dfm' , instead of the 'k-relsdf'dfm'

**Momus** · September 25, 2009, 09:29 PM

Originally Posted by Mr.Blackadder

No , you're confusing it with the 'k-belsdf'dfm' , instead of the 'k-relsdf'dfm'

Ah! I always make that mistake!

How foolish can one be?

BTW, what the duck is this thread about again?

**Salil** · September 25, 2009, 04:07 PM

Harad has pirates.

/discussion

**Fulgrim88** · September 25, 2009, 04:18 PM

OotMM. Build 10000000000 Orcs, autoresolvezerg all the good guys and kill the evil ones with early mountain trolls

kkthxbye

**Olifantenstaart** · September 25, 2009, 10:11 PM

First of all: what do you mean with "FIRST"?

The one who has conquered the entire map first in real time?

The one who has conquered the entire map in the least amount of turns?

EDIT

dont use moderators green. jan

**axnsan** · September 26, 2009, 01:19 AM

Of course that when you're playing a turn based game, it's always in real time!

If it can't be mordor then it's harad. Ask the guys in multiplayer hotseat 2.

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