Was Jesus (Isa PBUH) muslim?

[Banana Jelly]

Please, no Christians come and say " HOW DARE YOU YOU SLUT FOR TELLING HES A MUSLIM"
But, to help this thread not to be a one sided thread, i would like to ask for a counter post telling why you feel Jesus can be a christian.



I just want your opinion, also muslims too. Muslims belive that Isa PBUH was muslim and for the reason is this, I quote, from a guy from Yahoo Answer

" "And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt."
Matthew 26:39

The definition of a Muslim is one who submits to the will of Allah, from your own Bible verse above, you see a classic description of Jesus (pbuh) being a Muslim, he fell on his face and prayed to the One and only God (not some Trinity), he prayed like a Muslim does by falling on his face and prayed to God. Not as he willed but as God willed, in other words Prophet Jesus (pbuh) submitted himself to the will of God, hence he was a Muslim.
Another thing we must note is that he came at a different time before Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and to a different set of people ("the lost sheep of the House of Israel") and as such he taught what God had instructed him to teach to them for that particular period, there was no need for him to face Mecca or worry about Ramadan etc as the teaching he was given though very similar to the finalized and complete teachings brought forth by Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was for a specific time and to a specific people. However the similarities are there, Jesus (pbuh) prayed just like we Muslims do (Matthew 26:39), he fasted (the Bible tells us this) just like we Muslims do, he was circumcised just like all Muslim males, he never ate pig just like how we Muslims don't consume pig, he was a Muslim. The Bible clearly shows him to be more like a Muslim instead of a Christian and most important of all, he never ever mentioned the word Trinity or taught it to anyone, a fundamental of Christian faith this idea of Trinity was not even taught by Jesus (pbuh), he was like us Muslims, a pure Monotheist. "



Source: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...0202719AAywtpH

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[Ummon]

Is a lion a cow?

1) they both have 4 legs.
2) they both have blood.
3) they both have 2 eyes.
4) they both reproduce.
5) they both have a tail.

Etc.

[Banana Jelly]

Is a lion a cow?

1) they both have 4 legs.
2) they both have blood.
3) they both have 2 eyes.
4) they both reprouce.
5) they both have a tail.

Etc.

But that doesnt relate to religion as the lion and cow cant have the same mother

[Gauvin]

But that doesnt relate to religion as the lion and cow cant have the same mother

I think Ummon answered it best in his own way by pointing out that its the differences and not the similarities which make a thing.

But, in truth, and this is the opinion of most historians, that Jesus was a Jew, who was crucified in Judaea under the governorship of Pontius Pilate for sedition. Just because most historians agree on this doesn't mean it's necessarily correct, but every source which mentions Jesus, besides the Qur'an, attests to that fact. So, either the different corroborating accounts (Christian, and non-Christian) all had it wrong centuries before the Qur'an was revealed, or the Qur'an is right, despite it being written over 500 years after Jesus' death and its version isn't corroborated by any other sources.

In short, Jesus was not a Muslim. Islam did not exist before the 6th century, and the Qur'anic account of Jesus is an entirely ad hoc fabrication.

[Banana Jelly]

I think Ummon answered it best in his own way by pointing out that its the differences and not the similarities which make a thing.

But, in truth, and this is the opinion of most historians, that Jesus was a Jew, who was crucified in Judaea under the governorship of Pontius Pilate for sedition. Just because most historians agree on this doesn't mean it's necessarily correct, but every source which mentions Jesus, besides the Qur'an, attests to that fact. So, either the different corroborating accounts (Christian, and non-Christian) all had it wrong centuries before the Qur'an was revealed, or the Qur'an is right, despite it being written over 500 years after it happened and its version isn't corroborated by any other sources.

Yet the Qur'an in my understandings never said he wasnt a jew by birth. Nor i think crusified.

[Gauvin]

Yet the Qur'an in my understandings never said he wasnt a jew by birth. Nor i think crusified.

The Qur'an says Jesus was not crucified. Some Muslims believe a look-alike was erected by God to take his place, and some believe Judas was put in his place. Either way, it's an awkward twist which suggests to me that it was improvised to deal with the theological ramifications of Jesus' crucifixion. It lacks some of the "sophistication" of Muhammad's other fabrications.

[Sher Khan]

Is a lion a cow?

1) they both have 4 legs.
2) they both have blood.
3) they both have 2 eyes.
4) they both reproduce.
5) they both have a tail.

Etc.

The actual question isn't a metaphor, however.

Is God awful?

A better comparison for the topic, I think.

[Ummon]

Doesn't it?

[ShADoW]

This thread is going to be one-sided.

[Celsius]

Brings up the question? Was Muhammad Christian? I highly doubt it.

Those are just a few things he did that was like a Muslim. He did THOUSANDS of things that are christian? Which he couldnt have been since Islam wasnt even around.

Jesus established Christianity. If Jesus was a Muslim, that would make Muhammad either an Antichrist or a pretender, which I doubt Muslims would like to hear.

[Banana Jelly]

Brings up the question? Was Muhammad Christian? I highly doubt it.

Those are just a few things he did that was like a Muslim. He did THOUSANDS of things that are christian? Which he couldnt have been since Islam wasnt even around.

Jesus established Christianity. If Jesus was a Muslim, that would make Muhammad either an Antichrist or a pretender, which I doubt Muslims would like to hear.

But Islam was around. Its just a rebirth to Islam 500 years after Jesus.

Im going to edit my OP as my thread is a one sided answer, thanks shadow

[Barry Goldwater]

That's a ridiculous question, Islam wasn't even around at the time.

[mrcrusty]

Jesus was Jewish.

/end thread

[DisgruntledGoat]

Jesus was Jewish.

/end thread

[Banana Jelly]

That's a ridiculous question, Islam wasn't even around at the time.

Islam as a word didnt exist, as Mohammed made the rebirth. But the whole logic of Islam was there.

[basics]

" But Islam was around. Its just a rebirth to Islam 500 years after Jesus."

Nazmus The Great,

I have heard this theory before but just to set me straight, how was it around?

[boofhead]

" But Islam was around. Its just a rebirth to Islam 500 years after Jesus."

Nazmus The Great,

I have heard this theory before but just to set me straight, how was it around?

It wasn't. It's just the usual Islamic brain-spasm that rewrites history and has the miraculous power to bend and twist time and poop on and steal personages held sacred by others for centuries or millenia before Islam was even thought of.

My apologies. Nazmus should be answering.

[ShADoW]

Those are just a few things he did that was like a Muslim. He did THOUSANDS of things that are christian? Which he couldnt have been since Islam wasnt even around.

Islam is believe to be existed long before Muhammad's revelation, which is why he is considered a muslim as he submitted to the will God.

[Celsius]

Islam is believe to be existed long before Muhammad's revelation, which is why he is considered a muslim as he submitted to the will God.

Or you know he was a Jew. Which did the exact same thing and what he called himself.

[ShADoW]

Or you know he was a Jew. Which did the exact same thing and what he called himself.

He was a Jew by birth but Muslim by faith, the term Muslim didn't even exist back then.