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Thread: Kataphract Mumakil / Mumakil Innovation

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    Quote Originally Posted by el Cid View Post
    No, but I have an alternative:

    Why not make "baby" Mumaks? They would be the same size as elephants (maybe a bit bigger) and easier to recruit. And they would be able to have some armour, like some mail, as since they are not fully grown yet, and so are vulnerable to missiles because their hides haven't reached their very thick status yet. IMO this would be a good alternative. And would have 2 Haradhrim archers to shoot and 1 Muhad tribesman to ride it.

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    Default Re: Kataphract Mumakil


    Please not.
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    Default Re: Kataphract Mumakil

    What abut Rhunnic Chariots?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seleukos_I. View Post
    I need more info than: If I am to take you seriously... So what is wrong with that idea?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evan Frayling View Post
    What abut Rhunnic Chariots?
    DG has already stated his opinion over them. Myself, I think it's more Khandish, but even then, that's probably just Games Workshop taking over. IIRC, the Wain Riders were destroyed prior to the end of the Second Age.

    Not too keen myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vaz View Post
    DG has already stated his opinion over them. Myself, I think it's more Khandish, but even then, that's probably just Games Workshop taking over. IIRC, the Wain Riders were destroyed prior to the end of the Second Age.

    Not too keen myself.
    No they weren't! Look at this:

    The Wain riders almost destroyed Gondor during The Third Age...
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    A confederation of Easterlings that descended upon Gondor and its allies, some two centuries after the time of the Great Plague, and remained a dire threat to the South-kingdom for nearly a hundred years. The Wainriders, who took their name from the wagons and chariots in which they rode to war, quickly overran Rhovanion and soon came to battle with Gondor itself. Narmacil II was lost in battle, and for a time all of Gondor's possessions east of Anduin were lost to it. Narmacil's son Calimehtar won a temporary reprieve when he defeated the Wainriders on the plain of Dagorlad.

    After that defeat, the Wainriders planned a crushing revenge. Allying themselves with the Men of Harad and Khand, they orchestrated a simultaneous assault on Gondor from the north and the south, and the South-kingdom came close to destruction. King Ondoher was lost in the northern battles, but his general Eärnil defeated the southern invaders. The victorious Wainrider army in the north, celebrating their victory over Ondoher, suddenly found themselves set upon by Eärnil. In an encounter that became known as the Battle of the Camp, the Wainriders were put to rout, and those that survived fled back to their eastern domains.
    It was later seen that the invasions of the Wainriders, as so many of Gondor's perils, were engineered by the emissaries of Sauron. While Gondor's control of the lands east of the Anduin had been lost, the borders of Mordor had been open, and during this time the Nazgūl had taken advantage of Gondor's plight to re-enter the land of their master.

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    Yes that was thousand years before the war of the ring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seleukos_I. View Post
    I don't think it's a good idea. Why should they send their baby mumakil to war instead of waiting a few years and not waisting them?
    Becaus that would be expensive and hard

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    Default Re: Kataphract Mumakil

    If they catch the mumakill later, and train it later they it won't be expensive. Mumakill can live of the terrain you know...


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    Default Re: Kataphract Mumakil

    Wah wah wah wah lore blah blah whine cry Tolkien.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HIC SVNT LEONES View Post
    Wah wah wah wah lore blah blah whine cry Tolkien.


    Any comment on your post is wasted, though.




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    Default Re: Kataphract Mumakil

    Quote Originally Posted by Evan Frayling View Post
    The Persians had fully armoured elephants yet very un-armoured infantry and cavalry.
    Persians had unarmoured infantry and cavalry, however, they also had armoured infantry and cavalry, unlike you imply.

    Quote Originally Posted by Evan Frayling View Post
    Yes it may tire but look at the logic, having a horseman covered in armour is going to be slower yet better and breaking infantry lines. A Mumak covered in armour is going to be slower yet better at breaking infantry lines.
    You have problems at breaking infantry lines with your Mūmakil?
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    Default Re: Kataphract Mumakil

    Quote Originally Posted by Maelkoch View Post
    Persians had unarmoured infantry and cavalry, however, they also had armoured infantry and cavalry, unlike you imply.


    You have problems at breaking infantry lines with your Mūmakil?
    Well is better when armoured.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muffer Nl View Post
    If they catch the mumakill later, and train it later they it won't be expensive. Mumakill can live of the terrain you know...
    Just think about it, Muhad Tribesmen capture Mumakil on which to wage war, they don't raise them. And since it is one hell of a job to capture a fully grown Mumak, it is easier to capture their young. And since Mumakil are huge, their children certainly won't be smaller than an elephant.

    Mumakil live of the terrain? One Mumakil would eat half the Pelennor fields!

    Please people, I know it is not lore-wise, but it would give Harad some weaker "beast" unit, that would not look that rediculous as a fully armoured beast the size of the Empire State building! (figuratively speaking)

  17. #57

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    Kataphract Wargs pleez.

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    Last edited by Twist of Cain; September 25, 2009 at 03:30 AM.

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    Default Re: Kataphract Mumakil

    Quote Originally Posted by Twist of Cain View Post
    Kataphract Wargs pleez.

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    That actually is a good idea, a warg in Isengard's armour




  19. #59

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    Kataphract Wargs pleez.

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    Something decent at least !
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  20. #60

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    In fact, I would like to see heavy warg riders. Not kataphract wargs of course, but armored, like this:

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