Questions Regarding the Origin of Guns

[ALFAJI]

hey all
i have some questions about gun's
who in inveted it
and were it was first used
and did Mehmed II used it on his Conquest of Constantinople
and thank's

[Domen123]

Chinese invented gunpowder guns, it is not exactly known when, but:

The first documented battlefield use of gunpowder artillery took place on January 28, 1132, when Song General Han Shizhong used huochong to capture a city in Fujian.

And (first Muslim cannons in Europe):

The first confirmed use of gunpowder in Europe was the Moorish cannon, first used by the Andalusians in the Iberian Peninsula, at the siege of Seville in 1248, and the siege of Niebla in 1262.

They were also used during the battle of Ain Jalut in 1260.

And the first confirmed use of Christian cannon in Europe comes from 1326 - it was in Italy.

[clandestino]

Yes Mehmed used canons in the siege of the Constantinople, they were made by Hungarian canon maker Urban and one of them was the biggest cannon of it's time, it had range of whole mile and it was pul by 60 oxen and it's cannonballs were heavy 12 cents ( I don't know how much cent weights ).

[clandestino]

If you read couple of posts before you would find:

Yes Mehmed used canons in the siege of the Constantinople, they were made by Hungarian canon maker Urban and one of them was the biggest cannon of it's time, it had range of whole mile and it was pul by 60 oxen and it's cannonballs were heavy 12 cents ( I don't know how much cent weights ).

[Cposi_I_Caxponi]

The Russians invented the first assault rifle and the first to equip them to army units.

[Nikos]

The Russians invented the first assault rifle and the first to equip them to army units.

Incorrect, Germany invented the first assault rifle, the MP44 (or Sturmgewher). Consequently, the Germans were also the first to issue them to military units.

[Atterdag]

Changed title to actually reflect the topic.

[Cposi_I_Caxponi]

Incorrect, Germany invented the first assault rifle, the MP44 (or Sturmgewher). Consequently, the Germans were also the first to issue them to military units.

Not at all, the Automatic Federov was developed during WWI and although it did not meet every standard as an assault rifle (medium-sized cartridge), it was light-weight and had selective-fire capability.

[Nikos]

Not at all, the Automatic Federov was developed during WWI and although it did not meet every standard as an assault rifle (medium-sized cartridge), it was light-weight and had selective-fire capability.

Sigh, Assault rifles are rifles with Medium sized Cartridges with selective fire capabilities, rifles with large cartridges are called battle rifles, regardless of their size or firing capabilities.

[DaLeGiOnArY]

missuse of apostrophe.


Anyway, guns were first invented by the chinese. then they made rockets. then europeans copied guns. then in 1944 the germans invented the first "modern" assault rifle, the STG-44/MP-44.

[bushbush]

depends on what type of "guns". Early artillery was by the Chinese but rifles were by europeans much later.

[ALFAJI]

thank's guys for the help
but did Mehmed II army used rifles not cannon's on his Conquest of Constantinople

[Xellos_Moon]

thank's guys for the help
but did Mehmed II army used rifles not cannon's on his Conquest of Constantinople

He used the biggest cannon ever known in that time. Constantinople's main defense was not its soldiers but it was its walls. Mehmed II needed something to break those walls and he used is canons to do it. Im not sure if his Janissary used rifles but a think they did.

[garudamon11]

Im not sure if his Janissary used rifles but a think they did.

rifles ? you probably mean muskets

[ALFAJI]

rifles ? you probably mean muskets

ya musket hand gunners

[Xellos_Moon]

rifles ? you probably mean muskets

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[RollingWave]

the problem is, guns and cannons were the same thing in the begining, and it's hard to find a exact point where a handcannon turned into a real gun.

most would probably point to the early Ming dynasty which was founded in 1368.

and no, "rifle" is a term that only applies to guns after the late 19th century. so ww1 guns were rifles. but most of the guns in the Napoleon wars were still muskets. the earliest true guns in mass use is generally the arquebus.

[bushbush]

the problem is, guns and cannons were the same thing in the begining, and it's hard to find a exact point where a handcannon turned into a real gun.

most would probably point to the early Ming dynasty which was founded in 1368.

and no, "rifle" is a term that only applies to guns after the late 19th century. so ww1 guns were rifles. but most of the guns in the Napoleon wars were still muskets. the earliest true guns in mass use is generally the arquebus.

i think hand-held version of guns by mongols might be earliest form of guns (versus cannons) isn't?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Yuan_chinese_gun.jpg

[cenkiss]

Yes.Janissaries unsed guns.

[Dr. Croccer]

The first ''gun'' would be the firelance, a Chinese/Asian weapon used in the early middle ages which was essentially a spear with a large firecracker and a projectile. The firecracker would be lit, and the explosion would launch the projectile, confusing and perhaps harming the foe, which allowed the troops to advanced with the spears on the weakened enemies.