Should the next DLC include an African theater?

[Moorish guy]

I imagine the Bushmen would form some minor states, but I don't think there would be any African major nations. Just Europeans like the United Provinces who have colonies there.

how unhistorical

[Naja]

how unhistorical

Well, the kingdoms you mentioned - the Benin, the Congo and the Swahili - were much further inland, and nor directly colonized by the Europeans until much later in the 19th century.

European colonization before then was focued on the coasts: South Africa, the Ivory Coast, Madagascar, etc.

To my knowledge, at least.

[Moorish guy]

Well, the kingdoms you mentioned - the Benin, the Congo and the Swahili - were much further inland, and nor directly colonized by the Europeans until much later in the 19th century.

European colonization before then was focued on the coasts: South Africa, the Ivory Coast, Madagascar, etc.

To my knowledge, at least.

they had contact look and were on the coast http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benin_E...iki/Oyo_Empire

they also had trade with the Portuguese selling slaves for firearms

this may be out of date but I doubt all these states could disappear in 85 years

[Naja]

they had contact look and were on the coast http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benin_E...iki/Oyo_Empire

they also had trade with the Portuguese selling slaves for firearms

this may be out of date but I doubt all these states could disappear in 85 years

Well, I stand corrected!

Do you know what African states existed in the southern part of Africa around the 18th century?

[Tullaris]

they had contact look and were on the coast http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benin_E...iki/Oyo_Empire

they also had trade with the Portuguese selling slaves for firearms

this may be out of date but I doubt all these states could disappear in 85 years

Sorry to burst your bubbles here but "states"? These "nations" were tribal federations at best. These tribes usually shared language and some indeed sometimes had a "tribal king". But it was all very decentralized and primitive and there were no unified policies, be it political or economic to speak of.

Africa consisted mainly of primitive tribes. The scramble for Africa happened in the late 1800s.

Adding an African theatre is both pointless and ahistorical. Might add an Asian theatre with focus on Indonesia and Malaysia.

[Sir Winston Churchill]

I would hope Africa would be a patch not a DLC.

[esistNick]

That would be cool. The Zulu would be a challenge to go against also.

[Ahiga]

What I'd like to see is a merging of a true campaign map and the trade theatre. There's no need to feature a large part of Southern Africa or the Ivory Coast. It would be easier if you had a selection of coastal settlements with land surrounding it and periodic emergences of tribal enemies a'la Rebels.

• France and Senegal: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint-Louis,_Senegal
• Dutch and the Cape of Good Hope:
• French colonial holdings on the coast of Madagascar: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History...pean_colonists

But it's an ambitious wish for a DLC.

[jarnomiedema]

What I'd like to see is a merging of a true campaign map and the trade theatre. There's no need to feature a large part of Southern Africa or the Ivory Coast. It would be easier if you had a selection of coastal settlements with land surrounding it and periodic emergences of tribal enemies a'la Rebels.

• France and Senegal: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint-Louis,_Senegal
• Dutch and the Cape of Good Hope:
• French colonial holdings on the coast of Madagascar: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History...pean_colonists

But it's an ambitious wish for a DLC.

I agree completely. There's no need to expand the campaign map to include all of Africa. Nor South America and Asia for that matter, but it would be great if the trade theaters were expanded a bit..

What I was thinking of as I read through this thread was exactly what you mentioned. Mix up the campaign map and the trade theaters a bit. Something like two to four minor settlements spread out across the trade theater (they could be larger than they are now), but still keep the trade ports. Also, instead of just having your ships parked on a big anchor icon, it'd be nice if there was some way to actually use the graphical representations of trade ports, roads and trade goods that are already in the game.

Ofcourse this is all wishful thinking and will most likely not be implemented, but one can dream ofcourse..

Who knows, maybe one day modding for this game will be so far advanced that it might become a reality..

[uanime5]

In my opinion adding Africa wouldn't be a good idea. As stated by Tullaris Africa was mostly populated by small tribes who had very little influence on anything (the exceptions being the North African countries). Given that ETW is set during 1700s and the scramble for Africa was in 1800s an African theatre is outside the scope of ETW as it did not influence any of the major world powers.

Expanding the Americas theatre to cover all of North and South America would be far more relevent for this time period. I'd also like to see an expanded north Asian threatre for Russia to invade and more of east Asia.

[Naja]

To clarify:

By an African theater, I'm not talking about the entire continent. Just the southern cape.

I'm aware that the Europeans didn't explore the inner continent until the late 19th century. But there was much activity around the coasts for a very long time, including the founding of several major colonies (like Cape Town).

Given that ETW is set during 1700s and the scramble for Africa was in 1800s an African theatre is outside the scope of ETW as it did not influence any of the major world powers.

And the United Provinces weren't a major power of their time? Nor the French and British, who sparred over South Africa during and before the Napoleanic era?

[Moorish guy]

What I'd like to see is a merging of a true campaign map and the trade theatre. There's no need to feature a large part of Southern Africa or the Ivory Coast. It would be easier if you had a selection of coastal settlements with land surrounding it and periodic emergences of tribal enemies a'la Rebels.

• France and Senegal: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint-Louis,_Senegal
• Dutch and the Cape of Good Hope:
• French colonial holdings on the coast of Madagascar: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History...pean_colonists

But it's an ambitious wish for a DLC.

cool I had no idea that Madagascans were that advance and had already adopted european ways and even had an embassy in europe.

[Artetius]

I would rather see a Eastern-Asian Expansion or better yet DLC to add to the current campaign. China, Japan, Tibet, Korea, Loas... all those countries. Africa would just turn into another Colonial base source of revenue for larger player Empires.

[aggie_john]

Africa would be nice, wouldn't mind a beefed up Europe Map though. I am kind of hoping they might release a DLC that is more campaign focused, A Seven Years War DLC that really creates the sense of a global war and adds in much more diversity for the period. Now this might happen when some of the options of NTW merge with the game, because i think supply lines and general abilities would be fantastic, but like Napoleon I wouldn't mind fallowing Fredrick the Great's life as well.

[S-te-Fan]

I want asia.

[Abspara]

Sure, why not.

[Stalins Ghost]

I wouldn't be interested in a full African theatre - African land itself just wasn't a target for the colonial powers in the 1700s. What I would like to see is the coast represented using the trade node system, with the addition of land garrisons for defense against would be rivals and native tribes. Adding the whole of Africa, with all its huge number of political organisations is a whole new can of worms - and one that would be better served by a game/expansion pack extending into the 1800s. Which again means for a vast set of additions. It's a lot to ask of a team already working on patches and further content for ETW, and a full expansion in the form of NTW.

South America is a far more important theatre to be addressed, really, and probably one more easily addressed. Most of it is under Portuguese/Spanish control. From there, all that really needs doing is adding the relevant national movements when provinces rebel.

[TuCoT]

No.
I think next dlc will be focus on East India Company:

- Detailed India map. More provinces etc. (remake)
- New starting date.
- All Indian factions will be playable in stability. (Maratha, Mughal & Mysore)
- And also British East India Company, Dutch East India Company and Portuguese East India Company will be playable in the campaign.
- And the name will be "ETW: The East India Campaign"

I remember AoE III game and it's xp packs: The Warchiefs and Asian Dynasties

[Lord Tomyris]

No.
I think next dlc will be focus on East India Company:

- Detailed India map. More provinces etc. (remake)
- New starting date.
- All Indian factions will be playable in stability. (Maratha, Mughal & Mysore)
- And also British East India Company, Dutch East India Company and Portuguese East India Company will be playable in the campaign.
- And the name will be "ETW: The East India Campaign"

I remember AoE III game and it's xp packs: The Warchiefs and Asian Dynasties

And then Napoleon: Total War can be the expansion pack for the European theatre!

[Blofeld2k]

No more DLC, fix the game instead.