Garibaldi

[PROMETHEUS ts]

I wonder what foreign people ( not Italian ) know of this legendary figure called the Two world's Hero ...



Just to sum up he is the Hero of the Italian reunification , fought in several parts of the world siding the revolutionaries in fights fo freedom and was even asked by Lincon to take the supreme command of the Unionist army not for no reason .... from all over the world come to him to ask him to fight in severall endependance wars.....

[emperorpenguin]

He wore a red shirt and had biscuits named after him!

He was largely the figurehead to Italian reunification, rather than the actual bringer of it. Sardinia-Piedmont backed by France was more responsible than he, iirc.

[Odovacar]

Rome ou morte"" or something like that
Garibaldi has a langobard name, did you know that?

He was popular in Hungary like a native hero. The simple people considered him something like a foreign father, who ill help us to fight against Habsburg tyranny.
He is the greatest hero of Italy ever. As Kanyíe West would say. Of all time!

[The Noble Lord]

Truly, a national hero for Italians to be proud of.

[gaius valerius]

Got his fashion sense in south America . A hero but also a hothead, sometimes a help, other times a nuisance.

[Dodge]

He spent a month in my town in Northeast England, and was very popular here.

I think he's the world's first international freedom fighter.

[clandestino]

Very inspiring person, I think that he was set out to fight for freedom and republic ( ironicaly ) in every corner of the world, he even cosidered to go to the Balkans and help Serbs in their uprising against Ottomans in Bosnia 1875 and to help Hungarians to overthrow Habsburgs. But I'm under impression that he was quite naive character, he let other people use him for their own agenda.

[DAVIDE]

meh. Garibaldi failed. He had to reduce to rubble the Vatican. What about the fake referendums to annex , Parma, Tuscany, Emilia Romagna etc. and the fake ones of Venice in 1866?

Garibaldi failed here too. And Italian government of Cavour too. You cannot annex territories thru lies and deceptions. If you wanna unify something you have to make it thru a permanent occupation of Venice or in a democratic referendum by the population. Why Piedmont came to occupy the Serene Republic and then, after the promises of democratic referendum proclaimed in all town: "if the final votation will not be plebiscitary, we'll take painful measures against you and against your people"!?!?!?!?!?! What bout the break of international legalization the 19th october, when Gen. Lebouf gifted Venice to Piedmont, 2 DAYS BEFORE VENETIAN REFERENDUM?

IS ALL-THIS DEMOCRATIC?






Sure, Garibaldi made very good things, but in the other hand he made tons of counter producent things. And the unification of Italy made thanks to lies and deceptions, lead modern Italians to be more mentally divided now, than in 1800. And it's how Italy worked even after unification! Mafias, Cosa Nostra, N'drangheta etc etc etc.. all criminal organizations born just after unification, to defend local population against Piedmont promises not maintained and corruption. Piedmont and Cavour didnt give a of the needs of population, north and south one in the same manner. They needed just a massive territory to ask extremely high taxes or human cannonballs to be used in Piedmont personal wars

shame

[The Noble Lord]

Very inspiring person, I think that he was set out to fight for freedom and republic ( ironicaly ) in every corner of the world, he even cosidered to go to the Balkans and help Serbs in their uprising against Ottomans in Bosnia 1875 and to help Hungarians to overthrow Habsburgs. But I'm under impression that he was quite naive character, he let other people use him for their own agenda.

I didn't know that he wanted to go into Bosnia to join the uprising of 1875. Interesting.

[Gromovnik]

I didn't know that he wanted to go into Bosnia to join the uprising of 1875. Interesting.

I have read somewhere that he organised a 200 men strong company of volunteers to fight against the Ottomans in Bosnia.
To the OP, I think Garibaldi was possibly the greatest man of the 19. century. Nothing but respect for him from me.

[Claudius Gothicus]

Ahh Garibaldi, he's considered more or less a mercenary around this parts(because he fought on the unitarians side during the 1840's civil wars against the Tyrant know as Juan Manuel de Rosas), he has a very nice statue in Buenos Aires.

[il padrino]

Garibaldi served well to the italian unionist,but when they got what they needed,they disarmed him,and his fighters,and he even got wounded if i recall well


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Piedmont and Cavour didnt give a of the needs of population, north and south one in the same manner. They needed just a massive territory to ask extremely high taxes or human cannonballs to be used in Piedmont personal wars

shame

strange how in school books,Cavour is celebrated like a God,and Piedmont like the best part of italy.my personal oppinion,that without Frances,and then Prussian help,Italy would be very,very dificult to unite.

[DAVIDE]

strange how in school books,Cavour is celebrated like a God,and Piedmont like the best part of italy.my personal oppinion,that without Frances,and then Prussian help,Italy would be very,very dificult to unite.

hahaha Piedmont wasnt different from Stalin. They ruined totally what good Garibaldi was making. Cavour and Italian governments preferred to modern just the north Italy. The south continued to be arreared. All good things in south has been totally dismantled to be taken to north. They imposed extremely high taxes. The macinato law destroyed the southern italians. poor people instead of having funds and better know how for their latifundias from government, became poorer than before. Souther economy collapsed. Piedmont unified the coinage in all the peninsula (this is good) but is not good how has been made. It's been imposed not progressively as the modern passage from Lira to Euro. This took the consequences about millions people without money, because Piedmont wasnt able to exchange all the money people had in a single row. This, plus other factors took people to migrate abroad massively. Sicily which was the granary of Rome during SPQR with immense latifundia, after Piedmont unification and macinato law, was a third world region. Hundreds of thousands kilometres of fertile land totally undeveloped and abandoned. Different taxation to people. North 24%, South 48%. Etc. etc. etc.

List of italian govs mistakes is immense

[antares24]

Of Garibaldi i just have to say that he is one of the very, very few historical figures for who i have total respect.
A great man that was always ready to take arms to defend freedom, not just that of his country and people but of many others as well.
And contrary to many men who fighted to gain power or money, he refused the noble titles and the huge pensions that were offered to him and lived a simple life.
I also really like how he, who had to fight against the french to defend the Roman Republic, and that hated the fact that his homecity, Nizza, was given to the french in payment for their help against the austrians, didn't esitate a minute to go to battle against the prussians for the liberty of the third french repubblic.

strange how in school books,Cavour is celebrated like a God,and Piedmont like the best part of italy.my personal oppinion,that without Frances,and then Prussian help,Italy would be very,very dificult to unite.

of course Piedmont alone couldn't have fighted against the much bigger austrian empire. Cavour merit as a great statemen was in securing a defensive pact with the french and then pushing the austrians to attack. He was really a political genius.

meh. Garibaldi failed. He had to reduce to rubble the Vatican. What about the fake referendums to annex , Parma, Tuscany, Emilia Romagna etc. and the fake ones of Venice in 1866?

Garibaldi failed here too. And Italian government of Cavour too. You cannot annex territories thru lies and deceptions. If you wanna unify something you have to make it thru a permanent occupation of Venice or in a democratic referendum by the population. Why Piedmont came to occupy the Serene Republic and then, after the promises of democratic referendum proclaimed in all town: "if the final votation will not be plebiscitary, we'll take painful measures against you and against your people"!?!?!?!?!?! What bout the break of international legalization the 19th october, when Gen. Lebouf gifted Venice to Piedmont, 2 DAYS BEFORE VENETIAN REFERENDUM?

IS ALL-THIS DEMOCRATIC?






Sure, Garibaldi made very good things, but in the other hand he made tons of counter producent things. And the unification of Italy made thanks to lies and deceptions, lead modern Italians to be more mentally divided now, than in 1800. And it's how Italy worked even after unification! Mafias, Cosa Nostra, N'drangheta etc etc etc.. all criminal organizations born just after unification, to defend local population against Piedmont promises not maintained and corruption. Piedmont and Cavour didnt give a of the needs of population, north and south one in the same manner. They needed just a massive territory to ask extremely high taxes or human cannonballs to be used in Piedmont personal wars

shame

last time i looked from my window the Vatican is perfectly standing, it wasn't reduced to rubble, even if Rome was the setting of some heavy fighting between the Republicans and the French.

As for the rest, the Kingdom of Italy wasn't perfect for sure, and it's policy for the meridione created a lot of problems, but thanks to the legacy of Garibaldi, Cavour, Vittorio Emanuele II, and all the others that helped creating a unified Italy we now have a unified, strong and prosperous country, instead than a collection of little squabbling states that were under foreign influence or control.

That's not a small feat.

[DAVIDE]

thanks to the legacy of Garibaldi, Cavour, Vittorio Emanuele II, and all the others that helped creating a unified Italy we now have a unified, strong and prosperous country, instead than a collection of little squabbling states that were under foreign influence or control.

That's not a small feat.

unified territory not unified population. Unification process had to be started centuries before.

[clandestino]

Well it's another question did Italy wanted to be united in the first place? If I undrstand well, there was strong anti-unification sentiment at the south in Neapoletan kingdom. On the other hand the north which was under Austrian occupation was very fond to the idea of unification cause it was closely related with the idea of liberation from foreign domination.

[il padrino]

Well it's another question did Italy wanted to be united in the first place? If I undrstand well, there was strong anti-unification sentiment at the south in Neapoletan kingdom. On the other hand the north which was under Austrian occupation was very fond to the idea of unification cause it was closely related with the idea of liberation from foreign domination.

i know that some important members of the serb families from trieste,joined galibardies ranks,and fought with him.i read it today in an exibition about serb families in trieste.

[clandestino]

I believe that even some of his veteran soldiers went to Bosnia and joined the fight, Garibaldi himself was to old or something like that.

[The Noble Lord]

I believe that even some of his veteran soldiers went to Bosnia and joined the fight, Garibaldi himself was to old or something like that.

I see, well that is a good thing they did. The rebellion of 1875 was the spark that caused Bulgarian rebellion of 1876, Russo-Turkish war of 1877, and subsequent berlin Congress where Serbia, Montenegro and Bulgaria were officially recognized.

[Odovacar]

Some italians were fond of unification (the ones under austrian rule for example) others weren't.
There is a good film, in which a sicilian peasant says to a nobleman: "The Bourbones gave this and that to my crippled family. I don't care whether they were good somewhere else, I wish them back here instead of those northern foreigners"

Garibald was used by the piedmont gov' as a tool. When his nationalist zeal went too far away, his band of rebells was attacked and disbanded, he himself sent into retirement. But without his red shirts Italy would have been never unified.
Also french help was needed (or optionally Prussian) as Piedmont alone could not defeat Austria.