Let the media war begin! FOX vs CNN

[B-DizL]

So I dont know if any of you have been keeping up on this new developement, I put it in this forum cuz it deals with the political slant "some" news organizations have and now its become a full scale war of the news worlds

So it all started when FOX ran this add saying that all the other news organizations had missed covering the 9/12 Tea Party demonstration except them, inferring that all other news channels are liberal slanted Ok, MSNBC ill give em that one, Keith Oberman and crew are all liberals

So after Fox placed the add CNN saw it and retaliated with their own add slamming FOX Heres a link that has the new CNN add

The war of news media networks has begun and it is not a pretty sight. While CNN, Fox News, and MSNBC have always had a rivalry they never let the animosity spill out into the open as they have now.

Tensions have been building forever as on-air personalities like Bill O' Reilly and Keith Olbermann frequently engaged in back-and-forth spats. Recently former CNN turned Fox News personality Glenn Beck was critical of the lack of coverage given to his Van Jones and ACORN stories. What ultimately turned this cold war into a full-scale hot war though was an ad run by Fox News in the Washington Post.

In the ad (which can be seen in the video below) Fox News accuses all the other news networks of essentially ignoring the 9/12 Tea Party protest in Washington D.C. The ad seems to have been the last straw for CNN as Rick Sanchez devoted a long segment of his show to proving CNN did in fact extensively cover the 9/12 protests. At the end of his segment Sanchez went on the criticize how Fox News "promoted" the event rather than "covering" the event.

Now CNN is picking up on the "cover but don't promote" theme. Campbell Brown made the same charge against Fox News in her airtime. Finally CNN is now running their own ad claiming that Fox News engages in "distorting not reporting." We now can all eagerly anticipate the next Fox News reaction.

In the end a media war between the organizations may actually be good for both of them. The cola wars actually helped both companies raise their profile due to attention given to ad and counter-ad. If CNN, Fox News, and others begin their own media war it could increase the viewership for all of them. Unfortunately in the media war real news may get sacrificed as each network devotes more time to attacking the other.

I think this is awesome as it will finally expose FOX news for the sham that it is, its nothing but a conservative hype machine bent on causing unnecessary outrage in Americans based on lies.

As the article implies FOX no longer reports the news they create the news to their own ends

[Machiavelli25]

I think this is awesome as it will finally expose FOX news for the sham that it is, its nothing but a conservative hype machine bent on causing unnecessary outrage in Americans based on lies.

As the article implies FOX no longer reports the news they create the news to their own ends

How does that make it any different from other media outlets? The conservatives have as much right to propoganda as liberals.

[B-DizL]

How does that make it any different from other media outlets? The conservatives have as much right to propoganda as liberals.

Because other news organizations arent corrodinating the demostrations, they arent creating the anger in the people like FOX is, the 9/12 Tea Party was Glenn Becks creation, FOX is destroying the line between those who report the news and those who create it, Show me one example of ANY other news channel doing the things FOX does.....

[jsktrogdor]

How does that make it any different from other media outlets? The conservatives have as much right to propoganda as liberals.

My grandmother is a big fan of fox news... she legitimately believes (Im not lying, im not exaggerating, im not embellishing) that if obamas health care plan is passed she will be killed. Not worried that her medical coverage quality will drop, not that she wont get as much medical attention as she needs, not that she will have to wait longer to get that attention; all of those legitimate fears.... no, shes honestly terrified that the United States Government, her government... WILL MURDER HER.

All news has a slant... fox news has a vertical incline.

This is not good however, this will only boost their ratings and further divide my country into partisans that cant even have a decent debate let alone reach a happy compromise. If I ever become wealthy Im going to start my own news entity and be absolutely certain that it stays a news entity not a news company. Fox isnt even a 'news company' anymore its a 'news factory'.

[danzig]

My grandmother is a big fan of fox news... she legitimately believes (Im not lying, im not exaggerating, im not embellishing) that if obamas health care plan is passed she will be killed.

Then (no offense) she deserved it Sorry but while Fox is biased as is MSNBC there is no excuse for ignorance on things like this. This isnt Fox's fault, its stupid peoples fault for believing everything they hear/see/read without doing any research of their own. If I wrote a book 101 ways to kill someone and someone kills someone using the method in the book...is it really my fault? Yeah Im stupid for writing such a book but I didnt make that person follow it.

[B-DizL]

Then (no offense) she deserved it Sorry but while Fox is biased as is MSNBC there is no excuse for ignorance on things like this. This isnt Fox's fault, its stupid peoples fault for believing everything they hear/see/read without doing any research of their own. If I wrote a book 101 ways to kill someone and someone kills someone using the method in the book...is it really my fault? Yeah Im stupid for writing such a book but I didnt make that person follow it.

So when some one watches the news and on the news they claim repeatedly that the Obama Healthcare plan has death panels and will decide weather she lives or dies its the persons fault for believing what they heard on the news Are you serious?

FOX is just as far to the right as CNN is to the left. And not nearly as far to the right as MSNBC or the New York Times are to the left. Not even close.

That's why I watch both FOX and CNN. I try to see what their stories have in common and believe that. The same approach I take when studying history.

CNN has the most centered news ive ever watched and i make it a point to watch all new programs too

[danzig]

So when some one watches the news and on the news they claim repeatedly that the Obama Healthcare plan has death panels and will decide weather she lives or dies its the persons fault for believing what they heard on the news Are you serious?

Yep. It is ignorance that one would so willingly believe something so out there so easily. If CNN broke with news story that aliens have landed in San Fran and destroying the city would you believe instantly? What happened to rational thought? Healthy skepticism? We often mock conspiracy nutjobs for disbelieving *everything* they hear regardless of evidence well there is a flip side of people who DO believe everything they hear again regardless of evidence. Stupid is unfortunately stupid and ultimately it is the choice of the person to buy into this nonsense.

[Thorn777]

Then (no offense) she deserved it Sorry but while Fox is biased as is MSNBC there is no excuse for ignorance on things like this. This isnt Fox's fault, its stupid peoples fault for believing everything they hear/see/read without doing any research of their own. If I wrote a book 101 ways to kill someone and someone kills someone using the method in the book...is it really my fault? Yeah Im stupid for writing such a book but I didnt make that person follow it.

"If its said on TV it must be true"...

On that regard, I believe the US should strive for some higher standards in journalistic educations, strive for an binding journalist-ethics code and let actual journalists report instead of people who just want to make a fool out of themselves.

I think CNN does that, FOX not.

[Jexiel]

Personally, I get my news from Jon Stewart over at Comedy Central!

Edit: Irony! The best news sources comes from a place called "Comedy Central." This damn world is going to hell!

[mrcrusty]

"If its said on TV it must be true"...

On that regard, I believe the US should strive for some higher standards in journalistic educations, strive for an binding journalist-ethics code and let actual journalists report instead of people who just want to make a fool out of themselves.

I think CNN does that, FOX not.

It's not the journalists that are the problem with Fox, it's these "commentators" and "panel of experts" that Fox has. This is pretty much every Hannity show, they have an issue they bring in 1 liberal and 2-3 conservatives Republicans and let him speak for 3 seconds before having everyone else yell over him. Then Hannity will interrupt the liberal and allow the Republican to make some absurd communist Obama comparison before the liberal goes "nah, thats not true" only to be interrupted with shouts of "let him finish!" or "no, he's right, Obama is destroying the fabric of America!!".

They'll repeat this process for a few minutes then Hannity will conclude with something along the lines of "well, I know token liberal has made some good points, but quite frankly, Republican mob have made much better ones that token liberal couldn't refute. Obama a communist? Perhaps, perhaps not, but I wouldn't want him running the country."

Basically, you have the same thing with Beck, but he has a blackboard and draws pictures too.

[danzig]

"If its said on TV it must be true"...

On that regard, I believe the US should strive for some higher standards in journalistic educations, strive for an binding journalist-ethics code and let actual journalists report instead of people who just want to make a fool out of themselves.

I think CNN does that, FOX not.

Well what do you expect when entertainment companies end up buying up all the news channels? Time Warner owns CNN, Fox owns Fox etc. Its about ratings and they rather have 3 million loyal viewers who watch all the time vs 10-15million casual viewers who only tune in when something big happens. So there is a tendency to cater to viewers on slow news days. Its about ratings and money and there is good journalism out there, it just tends to get overshadowed. I tend to believe very little said on tv, radio or on website whether its CNN, Fox, BBC, Reuters whoever unless I see it from multiple sources. Ultimately its peoples fault for apathy and laziness.

[Desperado †]

If I wrote a book 101 ways to kill someone and someone kills someone using the method in the book...is it really my fault?

Partly, yes.

[FuZe]

Trash talking gets attention in an attention deficit world. In this way Rush, Bill, and Olberman create a feedback loop of promotion for each other.

Do you cheer for the "good" wrestler or the "bad" wrestler? It doesn't matter as long as you are watching. MSNBC took Fox's model and replicated it for a different demographic. Now its a race to be the first to tell you what you want to hear.

[Caelius]

Love'em or hate'em, but the fact can't be ignored that Fox News consistently gets larger audiences and shares of air time than both CNN and other big networks like ABC, NBC, or MSNBC (Fox's ideological nemesis).

Pigs will be flying before they ever get "exposed" though.

[B-DizL]

Trash talking gets attention in an attention deficit world. In this way Rush, Bill, and Olberman create a feedback loop of promotion for each other.

Do you cheer for the "good" wrestler or the "bad" wrestler? It doesn't matter as long as you are watching. MSNBC took Fox's model and replicated it for a different demographic. Now its a race to be the first to tell you what you want to hear.

I dont watch wrestling

Yeah all news networks have a slant but FOX calling out CNN is a little crazy, CNN is no where close to the propaganda machine that is FOX, even MSNBC isnt as bad as FOX....

When you actually go back and look at archived FOX footage there are soooooo many things that make FOX look bad that the only inevitable outcome of this whole news media battle is FOX loses

[mrcrusty]

If anything, this will prove to be epic lulz.

Fox has the most to lose though because they already have the biggest audience, that massive audience may tune into CNN and the like to see what's going on.

I mean Fox crushes opposition in terms of ratings, if ratings were an indicator, the people of America would want to have Beck's and O'Reilly's children.

In any case, Fox won't lose "credibility", because people who watch Fox and to a slightly lesser extent, MSNBC, have already made up their minds about the type of "news" that they are watching. A large portion of their audiences will usually try to deny any valid points from people with differing opinions and both are so far stepped into their own propaganda, that the people watching and nodding their heads in agreement to whatever the "commentators" are saying, without second thought, will automatically refuse anything contrary to what they've heard, labelling it as propaganda and lies.

I leave CNN out of this because while they are pro-democrat/pro-left, their bias slant is a lot less obvious and far less prevalent then the other two channels. Though I prefer BBC or Sky News over CNN.

[eric2min]

even MSNBC isnt as bad as FOX....

no

absolutely not.

[s.rwitt]

FOX is just as far to the right as CNN is to the left. And not nearly as far to the right as MSNBC or the New York Times are to the left. Not even close.

That's why I watch both FOX and CNN. I try to see what their stories have in common and believe that. The same approach I take when studying history.

[s.rwitt]

CNN has the most centered news ive ever watched and i make it a point to watch all new programs too

Sure. If you're a liberal then I'm sure it's the most "neutral" news source around.

[B-DizL]

Sure. If you're a liberal then I'm sure it's the most "neutral" news source around.

Ok so anything that doesnt pander to the right is immediately liberal biased, youve obviously shown your bias!

I leave CNN out of this because while they are pro-democrat/pro-left, their bias slant is a lot less obvious and far less prevalent then the other two channels.

Indeed I agree FOXs slant seems to trample the facts 90% of the time, i guess thats the Fair and Balanced part huh?