Evidence for Islam being correct?

[persianfan247]

Ok so this South African Muslim whom I was talking to a wee while ago, was claiming things like Muhammad said that there was bacteria on the wings of the fly that was both good and bad for you, he also said something about describing creators on the Moon. He claimed that the Quran mentioned scientific facts that were only just being descovered. Now naturally I was sceptically and looked it up on the internet and found two sites debunking his claims. So what do you guys think, any credability to his claims?

Links


Proofs
http://www.scribd.com/doc/14040661/Quran-n-Science

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_science

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qur%27an_and_Science

http://www.quransearch.com/detailed_..._in_verses.htm

http://www.englishbaby.com/blog/M_ho...ew_entry/31520

Debunking scientific claims of the Quran

http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran...nlight_wc.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critici...n_the_Qur.27an

http://www.answering-islam.org/Respo.../science11.htm

http://www.mukto-mona.com/Articles/s...e_Bucaille.htm

http://www.answer-islam.org/Science1.html

http://www.mukto-mona.com/Articles/a...n_miracle2.htm

http://www.answer-islam.org/Science1.html

[Hiero of Syracuse]

People claiming the koran is any more scientific are just trying to get attention, and are desperate to prove it's creditibility. Most of the facts in the Koran originated from Greek science, and along with that some of the more faulty Greek science.

[persianfan247]

I actually wondered about whether it was worth putting up this thread, but I was bored so yeah, also I would like some good arguments in hand next time I talk to this South-African Muslim.

He's probably thinks it's proof that Islam is correct when compared to Judaism and Christianity. I hope he's not saying it holds more credibility than science.

No he wasn't saying that, hes taking health science at my Uni.

[skag]

People claiming the koran is any more scientific are just trying to get attention, and are desperate to prove it's creditibility. Most of the facts in the Koran originated from Greek science, and along with that some of the more faulty Greek science.

BS

[InsaneHanz]

He's probably thinks it's proof that Islam is correct when compared to Judaism and Christianity. I hope he's not saying it holds more credibility than science.

[basics]

" He's probably thinks it's proof that Islam is correct when compared to Judaism and Christianity. I hope he's not saying it holds more credibility than science."

InsaneHanz,

In the history of the world has there been a nation that has not contributed something to humanity despite what they held as a belief or religion? Them in Islam are no exception. But Islam cannot claim anything over the Jew or the Christian on the simple truth that it has no authority to make such claims as far as their belief system is concerned.

Yes, it can make claims about certain worldly things, but concerning out-of-world events it has no legal standing whatsoever. The Jew had the Old Covenant from God and the Jew and Gentile now has the New Covenant from God, all based on God dying for the sins of some and being raised to life once more. These are legal titles.

Islam has no legal Covenant and can't have unless it delivers God to have died once more and being raised again thus able to make another Covenant. Therefore the strength of its claim lies in that mercy at death needs be sought. But unless a man be born again before death, according to Jesus, that man dies in sin because the Law of Moses makes sure that he does. And that being the case there is no more sacrifice that can be made for him.

But just suppose there had never been a Jesus, nor a New Covenant, does that mean that Islam can rest in the Old? No it doesn't because all that were made righteous in those days were only so because they believed that God would deliver a Saviour to die on their behalf. Islam can't accept this, nor can it accept that to the Jews was this Covenant given, salvation being to the Jew first and then the Gentile.

So on the grounds of mercy does that religion stand. Over a billion believe that this is so because they are not allowed to question what is written in their holy book. I have explained these things many times and from the replies none but none seem to grasp the power of the Law, of how it is what God is. That unless a man's sin is taken away before death the Law condemns him to death because he is an unchanged sinner. God's mercy lies in what Jesus Christ did at Calvary.

[Hiero of Syracuse]

Care to add to that?

[Taiji]

Care to add to that?

I think he might be asking you to show how you know what you're stating to be true...

[skag]

Care to add to that?

First of all, you are not aboslutely giving any proof of what you are stating.
Second : Muhammad was not able to read and write. And He told the Qu'ran... I hardly see how it is possible for him to be in knowledge of ancient greeks savior, without forgiving the fact that he comes from deep desert, Mecca, and most of all, the biggest part of ancient greeks knowledge has been translated a lot later than the Islamification of middle east under Muhammad (+/-600 AC), almost 200 years later, in Baghdad (House of Wisdom, +/-800AC)

conclusion : BS

[Gromovnik]

First of all, you are not aboslutely giving any proof of what you are stating.
Second : Muhammad was not able to read and write. And He told the Qu'ran... I hardly see how it is possible for him to be in knowledge of ancient greeks savior, without forgiving the fact that he comes from deep desert, Mecca, and most of all, the biggest part of ancient greeks knowledge has been translated a lot later than the Islamification of middle east under Muhammad (+/-600 AC), almost 200 years later, in Baghdad (House of Wisdom, +/-800AC)

conclusion : BS

Or we can conclude that Mohammad didn't wrote Quran.

[Visna]

Or we can conclude that Mohammad didn't wrote Quran.

He didn't. It was revealed to him by Gabriel and he had to memorize it. Muhammed was illiterate (lol sp? ). Anyways, the point is that Muhammed didn't write the Qu'ran. Or so the story goes.
Basically it was written by his companions, and the Hadiths were then collected over the next several decades.

[Gromovnik]

He didn't. It was revealed to him by Gabriel and he had to memorize it. Muhammed was illiterate (lol sp? ). Anyways, the point is that Muhammed didn't write the Qu'ran. Or so the story goes.
Basically it was written by his companions, and the Hadiths were then collected over the next several decades.

Exactly. It was written by god knows who (no pun intended), possibly based on Muhammad's fantasies.

[Hiero of Syracuse]

First of all, you are not aboslutely giving any proof of what you are stating.
Second : Muhammad was not able to read and write. And He told the Qu'ran... I hardly see how it is possible for him to be in knowledge of ancient greeks savior, without forgiving the fact that he comes from deep desert, Mecca, and most of all, the biggest part of ancient greeks knowledge has been translated a lot later than the Islamification of middle east under Muhammad (+/-600 AC), almost 200 years later, in Baghdad (House of Wisdom, +/-800AC)

conclusion : BS

The Qu'ran is a book describing man's relationship with God, so why bother applying modern meaning to vague text.
Two you're forgetting about the power of trade and the influence of merchants, back then it was quite common that trade routes passing throughout the ancient world were used to spread: Goods, knoweldge, Religion, and Philosophy.
Greek knoweldge could have very well reached the Arabian pennisula in the seventh century. Though not on the same level as during the Islamification of the middle east.
So Mohammud during his time in Mecca and Medina could of picked this up when he began getting relevations from God.
Another point is that Mohummud continued having relevations even throughout later parts in his career as a prophet, as the conquest of the pennisula was already underway, plus he could of stumbled into other bits of knoweldge when he began taking previous bits of Roman influenced territory.
Three the Qu'ran wasn't composed in it's final version until the second or third Caliph. The somewhat sceiency bits could of been added in.

[Heinz Guderian]

Do the unbelievers not realize that the heaven and the earth used to be one solid mass that we exploded into existence? And from water we made all living things. Would they believe?



And we placed on earth stabilizers, lest it tumbles with them, and we placed straight roads therein, that they may be guided.



And we rendered the sky a guarded ceiling. Yet, they are totally oblivious to all the portents therein.
And He is the One who created the night and the day, and the sun and the moon; each floating in its own orbit.



We never decreed immortality for anyone before you; should you die, are they immortal?



Every soul will taste death, after we put you to the test through adversity and prosperity, then to us you ultimately return.

[Phier]

First of all, you are not aboslutely giving any proof of what you are stating.
Second : Muhammad was not able to read and write. And He told the Qu'ran... I hardly see how it is possible for him to be in knowledge of ancient greeks savior, without forgiving the fact that he comes from deep desert, Mecca, and most of all, the biggest part of ancient greeks knowledge has been translated a lot later than the Islamification of middle east under Muhammad (+/-600 AC), almost 200 years later, in Baghdad (House of Wisdom, +/-800AC)

conclusion : BS

Feel free to believe whatever fairytale you like. The science is greek/roman, and well known by the time the illiterate genocidal warlord 'told' the koran, which you only know because thats the myth of its creation. Heaven forbid he may have talked to smarter people than himself

[jankren]

Islam Is Da Light!

[Shams al-Ma'rifa]

answering islam... that's not a biased source at all...

[Hiero of Syracuse]

Although it may be biased it does get the job done, Islam hasn't really revealed anything scientific that wasn't already known. It's a guide to man's spirituality not a book of science, so their is bound to be parts that aren't 100% coherent.

[Copperknickers II]

Or even better we can conclude that we are projecting current knowledge onto old things. If mohammed had truly known these things then he would have written them down properly and completely, for example even if the description of the creation of man seems to describe the womb, it fails to mention evolution therefore it is wrong.

[Amorphos]

Rather than a load of links to painfully wade through, if anyone cares to post some actual quotes, then I am sure we can debunk them.