A question to the token minority person.

[Gelgoog]

This stemmed from another discussion, but I want to ask those minorities who live amongst white dominant populations. In my state there are very few blacks ( alot more hispanics), and every time when I was in school/college and race issues came up, I couldn't help feel sorry for the token black kid in the room who probably had the eyes of the entire class on him expecting him to stand up like dr. King and make an em passionate statement. More often then not the kid would look as though he just wanted to sink into his chair and not even talk about the issue.

Usually some white chick would be very boisterous about discrimination, and anyone who would disagree with anything said would be labeled a racist and get stern looks.

So my question is, do any of you get tired of having to constantly be a bill board for racial issues? Do you hate all the white kids coming up to you giving the "im with ya brother" just because your black, or jumping to your defense the instant someone says something non-pc, like a funny joke, that you might even laugh at.

I notice this amongst alot of white kids these days when discussing race. Someone will usually start with.."well I have a black friend" ( so that makes me a great person).

Colbert usually makes fun of this issue by showing pics like this.


someone black guy will ask if he can be stephens friend, and stephen will go...I already have a black friend and posts the picture saying he does not have room for another.

[sephodwyrm]

I'm in graduate school, so we have greater racial diversity here.

[Gelgoog]

I'm in graduate school, so we have greater racial diversity here.

well maybe this kind of crap doesnt happen as much in areas with more diversity, but the fact that it whites have become so PC even in areas like mine where there is not a whole lot of diversity, is kind of scary...and annoying as hell.

[CobraStallone]

well maybe this kind of crap doesnt happen as much in areas with more diversity, but the fact that it whites have become so PC even in areas like mine where there is not a whole lot of diversity, is kind of scary...and annoying as hell.

Lack of diversity isn't bad, as diversity is also not bad. Scary and annoying? I don't quite follow you

[Jeff.Spectre]

you should move to England, we hate everybody regardless of race/gender/sexuality/country of origin.
Especially British people...ooooh we love to hate people from the town over for no apparent reason.

[Taiji]

If you don't describe people by their easy to notice features then your brain is malfunctioning. It's such an obvious thing to do and yet in the name of being PC I've found myself refering to the color of boxers shorts in a match, where one fighter is white and the other is black. A real face-palm moment, if 'trying to be nice' makes you look a complete idiot then don't do it! Idiocy is fundamentally not nice!

My experience of racism in the UK has subsided massively since I was a kid. It's extremely rare that I see any kind of racist abuse being hurled in the street where previously it seemed to be happening all the time.

Oddly, if I do see it these days it's usually a second, third or fourth generation immigrant complaining about the current immigrants. You'd think they'd learn... well they did learn that when someone pisses you off using racist insults can really hurt them.

If I hear '' (the shortened version of 'pakistani') nowadays I expect to turn around and see only asians and some laughter. Racist language is becoming a bit of 'witty' banter between mates. Although I think they're being idiots it shows that the value of racism is in offense. It's a good thing to use when you want to offend someone, especially if they're your friend and not much else works.

I even have friends that use racist terms and ideas on me to try to get me to retaliate in kind. Yep I have pretty low standards (or high tolerance) regarding my friend's actions, and I'm proud of it

[Gelgoog]

Lack of diversity isn't bad, as diversity is also not bad. Scary and annoying? I don't quite follow you

I am refering to the whitest of white kids talking about racism when they have never been even close to near it. They hear one person use the N word, or say something about a minority and they act like its a civil rights case in the works.

For instance, I remember discussing the crack coccaine epidemic in the 80s and how it effected black communities. The discussion reared that most of the problems of the ghettos focused on blacks in general finding it easier to sell rocks for a few hours a day and make several thousand dollars a week instead of working hard and going to school where they might find a full time job that pays a few hundred a week. Some white chick starts saying thats racist and stereotyping and saying how white people put down blacks and how she has a black friend who...bla bla bla.

Anywho its crap like this. If there was a black kid in my class when this happened you can bet their would have been a storm ( not from the black kid) but from other students "standing up" for the kid because they perceive anything that negative about black culture as politically incorrect and racist. White guilt in this country is much stronger these days then racism is. And it can get sooooo annoying.

not exactly what I was going for...but here.

[Tiberius Tosi]

Off topic about your picture, has Colbert ever found a new black friend?

He held the competition and then he just stopped talking about it.

[jankren]

Women tend to be more sympathetic than men. Its a fact.

And many people who act as if they were the most tolerant people are actually very prejudiced inside.

[Jabberwock]

For instance, I remember discussing the crack coccaine epidemic in the 80s and how it effected black communities. The discussion reared that most of the problems of the ghettos focused on blacks in general finding it easier to sell rocks for a few hours a day and make several thousand dollars a week instead of working hard and going to school where they might find a full time job that pays a few hundred a week. Some white chick starts saying thats racist and stereotyping and saying how white people put down blacks and how she has a black friend who...bla bla bla.

I'll just play off of this example. I would have told the girl to be quiet. It's absolutely true. If I was there I would have corrected her.

Anywho its crap like this. If there was a black kid in my class when this happened you can bet their would have been a storm ( not from the black kid) but from other students "standing up" for the kid because they perceive anything that negative about black culture as politically incorrect and racist. White guilt in this country is much stronger these days then racism is. And it can get sooooo annoying.

It really depends on what's been said when a white person tries to "correct". When a person starts making comments about how black culture is all about rap, thugging, and crap like that then it deserves to be corrected by anyone. But I would feel it inappropriate if that white person came to my defense instead of addressing that false claim. If a white person said "OMG that's racist", I would say "no, they're just misinformed".

And many people who act as if they were the most tolerant people are actually very prejudiced inside.

QFT.

[Gelgoog]

It really depends on what's been said when a white person tries to "correct". When a person starts making comments about how black culture is all about rap, thugging, and crap like that then it deserves to be corrected by anyone. But I would feel it inappropriate if that white person came to my defense instead of addressing that false claim. If a white person said "OMG that's racist", I would say "no, they're just

I completely agree. I however was talking about the drugs and its relation to black culture, not saying that black culture as in rap, was bad. This is what gets me mad, its the fact that white people are not even allowed to have an intellectual dialogue about race without being called racists or being told " you grew up white, you have no idea how it feels". Well I sure as hell know what white guilt feels like.

[Jabberwock]

I completely agree. I however was talking about the drugs and its relation to black culture, not saying that black culture as in rap, was bad. This is what gets me mad, its the fact that white people are not even allowed to have an intellectual dialogue about race without being called racists or being told " you grew up white, you have no idea how it feels". Well I sure as hell know what white guilt feels like.

I was just using black culture as an example as I seen it used several times. It is sensitive, though. If a person wants to speak for another race, they need to know that group of people pretty damn well because you are able to say some very inaccurate things such as stereotypes. If you don't know them, don't talk. Having a "black friend" or "white friend" doesn't count, either.

This goes for those who like to stand up for someone elses defense or speak in their name.

[CobraStallone]

This is what gets me mad, its the fact that white people are not even allowed to have an intellectual dialogue about race without being called racists or being told " you grew up white, you have no idea how it feels". Well I sure as hell know what white guilt feels like.

Mmm isn't that assuming that white people are superior to other races? And that they feel guilty for discussing other races stuff, like if white people couldn't be poor or on drugs, so the guilt comes from discussing subjects they couldn't know about?

[Gelgoog]

Mmm isn't that assuming that white people are superior to other races? And that they feel guilty for discussing other races stuff, like if white people couldn't be poor or on drugs, so the guilt comes from discussing subjects they couldn't know about?

no white guilt comes from 60s and peoples guilt about what their ancestors did. It created the PC culture that we live in, which people are afraid to talk about race in fear of being labeled a racist...thats white guilt.

[jankren]

PC toward minority exist everywhere in this world. Stop complaining please.

In Indonesia we can no longer refer to an Indonesian of Chinese descent as 'Orang Cina' (Chinese Person).

[El Brujo]

PC is increasingly taking the form of a religion among middle and upper class whites. Woe be unto the unrepentant.

[GenWolfe]

PC is increasingly taking the form of a religion among middle and upper class whites. Woe be unto the unrepentant.

Freaking tell me about.. PC is like a glaring neon sign that is burning your eyes telling you they are different and that you have to tip toe through the freaking tulips when interacting with someone of a different race or gender then yourself.

If someone says to me merry christmas, happy hanukkah or whatever I will not be offended. I will smile and say it back to them.

This whole political correctness thing just makes everyone feel uneasy around someone else who is different.

[Dr. Croccer]

Wow, is it really that bad over there?

God forbid those people you refer to ever enter Rotterdam...

[sephodwyrm]

In Indonesia we can no longer refer to an Indonesian of Chinese descent as 'Orang Cina'

It was a derogatory term, TBH.
And we're a minority that helps make money.
Any chance that we can go into politics and the military as well? Besides Gus Dur?
My dad just recently applied for residence...

[jankren]

It was a derogatory term, TBH.

Its as derogatory as referring to a Mexican as "Mexican". It depends on the intention of the user.

And we're a minority that helps make money.

Lol, what does that have to do with anything?

Any chance that we can go into politics and the military as well? Besides Gus Dur?
My dad just recently applied for residence...

Lol, Suharto stepped down long ago and he is also dead now.

KWIK KIAN GIE

Indonesian Minister Of Economics (1999-2000)
Indonesian Minister Of National Development (2001-2004)