The placement of units, Coded and Scripted - using various commands

[Gigantus]

The first unit in the spawn determines the model the general will get. If you set peasants, then your general will be a peasant etc...
Haven't checked what texture he will get, most likely the one of the sub faction. Custom units might be the way to go here.

[wudang_clown]

The first unit in the spawn determines the model the general will get. If you set peasants, then your general will be a peasant etc...
Haven't checked what texture he will get, most likely the one of the sub faction. Custom units might be the way to go here.

Not exactly.

In my example, first unit is of teutonic knights, but it has generic Middle Eastern (or Mongolian, I can't recognize vanilla models) general, not Latin one.

I've been trying different combinations of entries in character line, but apparently "sub_faction" doesn't work in campaign_script.

When I put it in "faction slave, sub_faction x" the game ignores "sub_faction" part. When I put "sub_faction x" instead of "faction slave" - the army isn't spawned and the log says that it's general's entry which should be first. When I put "sub_faction x" right after "character" header - the game can't recognize next entries in character's line, like "general" or "named character"...

It seems I can't apply it, so it may be that it doesn't work at all. But it would be good to know whether someone more experienced in scripting got it actually to work.

Does it work or not? Anyone?

[Gigantus]

Sorry, should have checked properly before posting...

[Archaon]

This is my findings, per my opening post;

campaign_script.txt entry example

spawn_army
faction faction_name, sub_faction faction_name
character name, named character, family, age 32, x 290, y 134, portrait portrait_name, label label_name, battle_model battle_model_name, hero_ability hero_ability_name, direction (N,E,S,W)
traits GoodCommander 3 , BattleScarred 2, BattleDread 1 , CaptorDread 1 , GoodAttacker 1 , NightBattleCapable 1
unit unit_name exp 3 armour 1 weapon_lvl 0
end

but this is restricted to;
faction slave, sub_faction faction_name

campaign_script.txt entry example

spawn_army
faction slave, sub_faction faction_name
character name, named character, family, age 32, x 290, y 134, portrait portrait_name, label label_name, battle_model battle_model_name, hero_ability hero_ability_name, direction (N,E,S,W)
traits GoodCommander 3 , BattleScarred 2, BattleDread 1 , CaptorDread 1 , GoodAttacker 1 , NightBattleCapable 1
unit unit_name exp 3 armour 1 weapon_lvl 0
end

I knew this restriction when posting my opening post, however i did not state it clearly enough;

sub_faction faction_name is necessary for a slave faction army to spawn.

what i should have said was;

sub_faction faction_name is necessary for a slave faction army to spawn - but sub_faction only works for the slave faction

[wudang_clown]

An update after a long time:

what i should have said was;

sub_faction faction_name is necessary for a slave faction army to spawn - but sub_faction only works for the slave faction

The "sub_faction faction_name" doesn't work in campaign_script.txt, neither for slave nor for any other faction.

I've checked it in many different ways, using many different models, as Broken Crescent nicely allows that, I'd even say I tested it in all possible ways. It works nicely in descr_strat.txt, true, but it doesn't work in campaign_script.txt. The only way to set appearance of specific rebel model at specific date in game is to place it normally via descr_strat.txt in some safe spot on the map, and then move it via script at specific date to desired location.

Now, another question. It seems that this (questionable code marked in red):

sample use;

descr_strat.txt entry example

character name, named character, male, age 23, x 239, y 127, direction E
traits GoodCommander 1 , NaturalMilitarySkill 1 , ReligionStarter 1
army
unit unit_name exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit unit_name exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit unit_name exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit unit_name exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit unit_name exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit unit_name exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
sieging
siege_equipment ram 1
siege_equipment tower 1
siege_equipment ladder 1
siege_equipment sap_point 1

...doesn't work as well, this time in descr_strat.txt. No matter what direction I choose, the general faces south. I've also tried "sieging, direction N" - with the same result.

I hope I'm wrong, and I'd appreciate if someone have helped me.

[Gorrrrrn]

found that the sub_faction determines the name of the officer in charge of a slave army if not otherwise allocated by script.

in SS6.3 we had a area that accidentally had an kievan_rus sub_faction in Ireland.
they got russian names for officers in charge.
change the sub_faction to england and they got english names.

it seems name is generated at random each time a slave unit or army moves?

[Archaon]

found that the sub_faction determines the name of the officer in charge of a slave army if not otherwise allocated by script.

in SS6.3 we had a area that accidentally had an kievan_rus sub_faction in Ireland.
they got russian names for officers in charge.
change the sub_faction to england and they got english names.

it seems name is generated at random each time a slave unit or army moves?

Regarding the captain names, you are correct.
But i cannot confirm for you the name generation per move, as i have never tested that.
It seems logically unlikely but with the TW engine who knows...

[wudang_clown]

Sorry for not responding so long.

Thank you all for explanations. I suspect the reason it doesn't work is some mistake in descr_model_strat.txt.

I'm trying to figure it out.

Thanks again!

[Gorrrrrn]

But i cannot confirm for you the name generation per move, as i have never tested that.
It seems logically unlikely but with the TW engine who knows...

With my perm fort mod I have watched a single unit move in and out of a fort and back again with a different captain name each time.
(sometimes the AI will do that move up to 4 times as it decides whether to keep an army in a fort or not.)

[Agis Tournas]

Is there a way that you could merge two units via script..?

[Ishan]

Is there a way that you could merge two units via script..?

No i don't think so.

[sputnik]

Excellent! this scipt was exactly what I was looking for

[sputnik]

A questions, I am fairly new to scripting so this may seem a bit obvious.

If I wanted the siege to trigger at a historical event which code should I add?

[Taiji]

Script to be triggered by an historic event?:

monitor_event EventCounter EventCounter blahblah = 1

[sputnik]

Great thanks.

[sputnik]

* moved to other thread *

[w.wallace61]

Hi Archaon This topic is very useful for new bloods in scripting.. Especially for me to make an army siege settlement was becoming a real headache :/ So thank u very very much for your tutorial ) ı used it works great..
So here comes my question you are using labels for characters..But when they are labeled they only spawn one time in the entire game..I'm trying to make real rebelling mod For SS..factions armies are spawning even after the faction is destroyed.. but whe ı use labels it happens only once.. is there a way to reset this.I dont want to give name to the characters... I dont want a rebellion always under the same guy because i lıke random_names.. It brings more realism If you can answer if it is possible to spawn an army several times with a labeled character i woul be very happy tnx again if ı manage to finish my mod your name will be on the top

[Gigantus]

You could test if the labeled character is still alive and then let a new alternatively labeled character spawn.

[w.wallace61]

Yea I tested it..Killed the character in a battle but no new character appeared..the label prevents any new spawning even if the character is killed... When I remove the label it works fine..but no cammand works for the character, because of their random name...There must be a way to reset the labeled character spawning to enable it to spawn again.

[Gigantus]

I think you are approaching it from the wrong angle.

1. First make sure your monitor doesn't terminate.
2. Put in an IF condition which tests if the character already exists
3. Create a second monitor in case the first character still lives.

create_counter new_spawn

;---regular spawn
monitor_event ....
condition .....
IF character [labelname1] exists
set_counter new_spawn 1
end_if
IF not character [label_name1] exists
set_counter new_spawn 0
spawn_army [label_name1]
end_if
end_monitor

;---alternate spawn
monitor_event...
I_CompareCounter new_spawn = 1
spawn_army [label_name2]
set_counter new_spawn 0
end_monitor

The whole lot obviously needs the correct commands and spelling.