The placement of units, Coded and Scripted - using various commands

[Killerbee]

Nice stuff but HouseofHam had already found out most stuff (for RTW though) :

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...21#post3803021
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...43#post3734343

He also found out something bout ambush parameter , perhaps you could test that out in MTW2 ?

[Augustus Lucifer]

No need to despair, there's no mention of quite a few of the commands listed, and fortification as well as ambush have not been made to have appreciable effects, so there's still plenty of things to figure out. But that's helpful since it narrows down the things which need figuring.

Oh, and do make sure to update your OP with the information in those threads, as it's easier when it's all in one central location rather than dispersed across Rome and M2 forums. I'm sure if we were to look on heavengames or a russian TW site we'd likely be rediscovering the wheel in some cases, that's the nature of people working in a bunch of places on the same thing in isolation. That should never stop us from trying to broaden our knowledge.

[Augustus Lucifer]

Does spawn_character accept script labels? I'm trying to figure out how to get names I can reference for agents without having the names factor into the 'names pool' for the faction.

Or, alternatively, does anyone know of a so-called 'name trick'? This is gleaned from alpaca's City View script:

	; Catch settlement and spawn rebel with a unique name (male/female name trick) accordingly, then tell him to attack
	if I_SettlementSelected Miccosukee
		and not I_SettlementUnderSiege Miccosukee
        siege_settlement Primus Branka, Miccosukee, attack
	end_if

Primus appears to be a slave male name, and Branca a Portugese female name(the spawned agent is a slave named character). What's this about? Furthermore, is a name defined under slave used anywhere, or only when referenced like in the descr_strat or campaign_script?

[Strelac]

Archaon,

what versions of the game (reg/King) and patch did you test these scripts on?

Good summary.

(S)

[Gigantus]

Labelling: You van also label several characters with the same label and then use this. Example:

In TATW they have several IF for a situation where an army gets spawned (armies of different factions). Each army's leader has a different name but the same label. In the Effect of the IF they have the labeled character then siege a settlement. - One skript only!

[Archaon]

Hey guys, was playing around with some more things, and came up with one more step for this tutorial...

The final step, to make this complex and more like a proper siege.
At the end of this we will be able to make this spawned army wait another 2 turns after being spawned then attack, with the entire stack replenished.

First lets check if the spawned character is still alive, if he is alive we check if he succeeded in the attack, if the settlement is not taken we check if he is still sieging or not, if he is not sieging we move him back and tell him to lay siege again.

monitor_event FactionTurnStart FactionType england
    and not I_SettlementOwner London = england
    and I_CharacterExists Invade_London
    if I_SettlementUnderSiege London
    siege_settlement Invade_London, London, maintain
    replenish_units Invade_London
    end_if
    if not I_SettlementUnderSiege London
    reposition_character Invade_London, 290, 134
    siege_settlement Invade_London, London, maintain
    replenish_units Invade_London
    end_if
end_monitor

Finally to ensure the army stays and attacks on the second turn we need to use a counter and increment it each turn.
This is the full code using all the features described above;

declare_counter delayattack001
monitor_event FactionTurnStart FactionType england
    and I_SettlementOwner London = france
    and not I_CharacterExists Invade_London
            spawn_army 
            faction england
                character random_name, named character, family, age 32, x 290, y 134, label Invade_London, direction N
                unit NE bodyguard       exp 0 armour 1 weapon_lvl 0
                unit Levy Spearmen            exp 0 armour 1 weapon_lvl 0
                unit Levy Spearmen           exp 0 armour 1 weapon_lvl 0
                unit Levy Spearmen        exp 0 armour 1 weapon_lvl 0
                sieging
        siege_settlement Invade_London, London, maintain
    set_counter delayattack001 1
end_monitor

monitor_event FactionTurnStart FactionType england
    if not I_SettlementOwner London = england
    and I_CharacterExists Invade_London
    if I_SettlementUnderSiege London
    and I_CompareCounter delayattack001 = 1
    siege_settlement Invade_London, London, maintain
    replenish_units Invade_London
    inc_counter delayattack001 1
    end_if
    if not I_SettlementUnderSiege London
    and I_CompareCounter delayattack001 = 1
    reposition_character Invade_London, 290, 134
    siege_settlement Invade_London, London, maintain
    replenish_units Invade_London
    inc_counter delayattack001 1
    end_if
    if I_SettlementUnderSiege London
    and I_CompareCounter delayattack001 > 1
    siege_settlement Invade_London, London, attack
    replenish_units Invade_London
    inc_counter delayattack001 1
    end_if
    if not I_SettlementUnderSiege London
    and I_CompareCounter delayattack001 > 1
    reposition_character Invade_London, 290, 134
    siege_settlement Invade_London, London, attack
    replenish_units Invade_London
    inc_counter delayattack001 1
    end_if
    end_if
    if I_SettlementOwner London = england
    and I_CompareCounter delayattack001 > 0
    set_counter delayattack001 0
    end_if
end_monitor

[=NF= Vasileios_the2nd]

Some questions...
1. Why are you talking about descr_strat? Is it the very same thing with campaign_script as well?
2. The spawn navy part doesn't work properly when in campaign_script. Is it only meant to be used in descr_strat.

Note that I am talking about the med2TW .exe vanilla and only this. Not the kingdoms.

edit:
And can "label" be used in campaign_script of vanilla med2?

[Archaon]

no, descr_strat is a text file, CS allows scripting, the first alows an army to start the game seiging a settlement, the CS can do this and more!

spawn navy works perfectly. check my sig. (code words for m2tw.exe also)
Corsair Invasions mini-mod [TATW 1.2]

everything can be used in vanilla, but the term vanilla refers to the game unmodded so as soon as you apply a script it is no longer vanilla..

[=NF= Vasileios_the2nd]

no, descr_strat is a text file, CS allows scripting, the first alows an army to start the game seiging a settlement, the CS can do this and more!

Yes, i was asking if everything that can be done with descr_strat, can also be done with CS.
Ie, can I put all your OP examples that refer to descr_strat, into the CS and still work properly?

spawn navy works perfectly. check my sig. (code words for m2tw.exe also)
Corsair Invasions mini-mod [TATW 1.2]

As you can see in this thread
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=294687,
I cannot get proper admirals and ship units on the original exe med2.
I keep getting this, no matter what I try:


And from what I see, you haven't done anything different than what I did:

spawn_army
                faction        scotland
                character    Lulach Cullane, admiral, age 42, x 30, y 307
                unit        cog                exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
            end

What I am doing wrong here?

everything can be used in vanilla, but the term vanilla refers to the game unmodded so as soon as you apply a script it is no longer vanilla..

yea. I was trying to explain that I am not working on the kingdoms.exe, but on the original one, the medieval2.exe, which has some limitations, compared to the first.

Thank you for any answer and your care.

[Archaon]

@=NF= Vasileios_the2nd,

Sorry i have not had a chance to check this for you yet, i am sure it works like i explained.
I have been busy checking PI beta, Helping Icedie with scripts, and maintaining DaC..

Which lead me to continue my search into the kingdoms.exe..

@gigantus, While looking into the .exe further i see possible options to use in the descr_strat or maybe in CS for spawn_army..

we have these;
ambush – set the spawn_army to ambush stance… or in the desc_strat make it ambush on first turn.
sec_weapon – maybe used with weapon_lvl ???
pri_weapon – as above.
soldiers – if this is what I think it is! We can set a unit of 4 men to 1 man (quarter strength)!
Level 1 – there is a 3 digit variable following, not sure what this is. Requires testing.
quantity – might be related getting to siege_equiptment working in CS or it might be something completely unrelated to siege_equiptment…

Also I see the section for spawn_army that tells you you need to have an army for the general and finish with ‘end’ then it has ‘none’ and ‘relative ‘ but this may relate to the descr_strat

And to my amazement I see things I didn’t conceive possible!

reinforcement_time
supporting_armies
no_withdraw
battle_pos
turns_owned

Have no clue how to use them yet, but I am going to try everything I can think of !!!

[Augustus Lucifer]

And to my amazement I see things I didn’t conceive possible!

reinforcement_time
supporting_armies
no_withdraw
battle_pos
turns_owned

Have no clue how to use them yet, but I am going to try everything I can think of !!!

Keep in mind that the descr_strat has a lot in common with the descr_battle. I also saw those and a couple others, but they struck me as something which would go in a custom battle file. It's entirely possible they will work though.

battle_pos reminded me of setting the location of the settlement with respect to where the playable map area is on the battle map. I recall something to this effect with custom tiles that didn't get resolved for M2.

reinforcement_time might impact the time it takes in a siege before they appear, though it seems again rather weird outside of the context of a custom battle.

Some other irregulars:

card
rand_seed
settlement_tax
triumph
tile
founding_faction
capital

Those may not all be lines but they were in a similar context, so worth a look. There's also plan_set and package_path which we know what does but aren't really well documented, and the former we have no idea how to change for M2 as far as I know.

[Archaon]

Some other irregulars:

card
rand_seed
settlement_tax
triumph
tile
founding_faction
capital

Those may not all be lines but they were in a similar context, so worth a look. There's also plan_set and package_path which we know what does but aren't really well documented, and the former we have no idea how to change for M2 as far as I know.

I saw 'some' of these but thought they not as notable.
Capital could just be legacy code, also founding faction could be legacy as we know the faction owner in descr_strat can be different from the actual owner. tile i saw but couldn't place how to use it in my mind. settlement_tax i completely missed!

[Gigantus]

no_withdraw

I thought this was in context with the EDU attributes = fight to the last man, no withdrawal\routing

[Augustus Lucifer]

I thought this was in context with the EDU attributes = fight to the last man, no withdrawal\routing

There's an EDU Attribute called can_withdraw, similar but not the same.

[Archaon]

Have either of you Script Masters looked into RTW BI or ALEX.exe extensively? i no longer have any of these installed and am reluctant to install anything unnecessary on my system so close to an upgrade..
I want to learn which of these are introduced in M2 or kingdoms.exe but not used..

[Augustus Lucifer]

I've not looked into either of them, but I don't think figuring out which are added and unused will necessarily help to pinpoint which will work. Remember triumph has been in since Rome and I've yet to find a use for it, it shows up in descr_regions, descr_triumphs, descr_sm_factions, and possibly descr_strat so the logical usage would have been a Civ-style victory where you pass a triumph threshold(like the three 'boundaries' in descr_triumphs), and each owned region as well as each defeated faction gives triumph points equal to their value, though there's been nothing to show it can actually be used.

[Archaon]

there goes the wind from my sails..
How come my TWC searches came up with no hits?..

[Archaon]

I'll thoroughly look another time, right now i am summoned by the missus.
I guess i'll have to speak to HoH as well, Never contacted him before..
Thanks guys, g'Night.

[Killerbee]

Well , search isn't really good in TWC , so ..

And you found out bout the fleets etc. , so you still have "wind on your sails"

[Augustus Lucifer]

The range of things being looked into is starting to exceed the scope of this tutorial, so it'd be better to do research in another thread and append any applicable things here.

I've made a thread here, perhaps we should stick it in the non-tutorial Text Editing & Scripting and use it to discuss new discoveries and research into various files.