is the christian god all powerfull?

[Ima Farmathar]

Lets for a moment asume the bible is the word of god, and that that god is real:


*Genesis 3 22And Jehovah God saith, `Lo, the man was as one of Us, (as to the knowledge of good and evil)?; and now, lest he send forth his hand, and have taken also of the tree of life, and eaten, and lived to the age,' --


Genesis 11 5And Jehovah cometh down to see the city and the tower which the sons of men have builded;
*6and Jehovah saith, `Lo, the people [is] one, and one pronunciation [is] to them all, and this it hath dreamed of doing; and now, nothing is restrained from them of that which they have purposed to do.
*7Give help, let us go down, and mingle there their pronunciation, so that a man doth not understand the pronunciation of his companion.'

Notice how it is the sons of man here?

How is that god in its own word not afarid of humanity, but omipotent?

[Maximus Macro]

there's 1 problem he doesn't excist,so the answer is NO

[PointOfViewGun]

there's 1 problem he doesn't excist,so the answer is NO

You did read the OP starting with "let's assume..." right?

Lets for a moment asume the bible is the word of god, and that that god is real:

Genesis 3 22And Jehovah God saith, `Lo, the man was as one of Us, (as to the knowledge of good and evil)?; and now, lest he send forth his hand, and have taken also of the tree of life, and eaten, and lived to the age,' --

Genesis 11 5And Jehovah cometh down to see the city and the tower which the sons of men have builded;
6and Jehovah saith, `Lo, the people [is] one, and one pronunciation [is] to them all, and this it hath dreamed of doing; and now, nothing is restrained from them of that which they have purposed to do.
7Give help, let us go down, and mingle there their pronunciation, so that a man doth not understand the pronunciation of his companion.'

Notice how it is the sons of man here?

How is that god in its own word not afraid of humanity, but omnipotent?

I can't really see how it contradicts with the whole omnipotent idea.

[Ima Farmathar]

it is an hipothetical argument

well you see he seems afraid of what mankind may do in both quotes..

if he were all powerfull we woulh not be afraid of us. hipothetically speaking of course

[PointOfViewGun]

it is an hipothetical argument

well you see he seems afraid of what mankind may do in both quotes..

if he were all powerfull we woulh not be afraid of us. hipothetically speaking of course

Well I couldn't see the fear part. Could you care to elaborate more?

[CtrlAltDe1337]

In the Bible God is called the Almighty as one of his names.

[mrcrusty]

I'm no Ummon, but I haven't discussed anything seriously in the EMM for a while, so let's give this a crack.

Genesis 3:22 is apart of the Adam & Eve story, and the passage is right at the time when God dictates their punishment and kicks them out of the Garden of Eden for eating the apple from the Tree of Knowledge.

Now, here is the passage in context.

14 So the LORD God said to the serpent, "Because you have done this,
"Cursed are you above all the livestock
and all the wild animals!
You will crawl on your belly
and you will eat dust
all the days of your life.
15 And I will put enmity
between you and the woman,
and between your offspring [a] and hers;
he will crush [b] your head,
and you will strike his heel."
16 To the woman he said,
"I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing;
with pain you will give birth to children.
Your desire will be for your husband,
and he will rule over you."
17 To Adam he said, "Because you listened to your wife and ate from the tree about which I commanded you, 'You must not eat of it,'
"Cursed is the ground because of you;
through painful toil you will eat of it
all the days of your life.
18 It will produce thorns and thistles for you,
and you will eat the plants of the field.
19 By the sweat of your brow
you will eat your food
until you return to the ground,
since from it you were taken;
for dust you are
and to dust you will return."
20 Adam [c] named his wife Eve, [d] because she would become the mother of all the living.
21 The LORD God made garments of skin for Adam and his wife and clothed them. 22 And the LORD God said, "The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever." 23 So the LORD God banished him from the Garden of Eden to work the ground from which he had been taken.

Adam & Eve, who had just ate from the Tree of Knowledge, now are aware of good and evil, one of the characteristics of the divine, separating us from other creatures (morality). Their actions had brought sin into the world since God had directly forbade them to eat from the Tree, dulling their knowledge of good and evil, but keeping their souls and thoughts completely pure and innocent.

When you take the passage into context, the reference to the Tree of Life was merely a footnote. An afterthought. The main point of the passage is to demonstrate God's anger and to outline the punishment He has set upon Adam & Eve as a result of their actions. However, had they eaten from the Tree of Life, they would have lived forever. An eternity of misfortune, curses and an eternity dealing with the consequences of the Original Sin.

So, the passage really doesn't related whatsoever with God's ominpotence. If anything, it is an act of mercy (depending how you look at it), because while God is angry at Adam & Eve for disobeying Him, He would not subject them to an eternity of punishment.

Now, for the second one.

Genesis 11:5-7 is a section that describes the birth of languages and cultures of different people. Also, I've gotten the feeling that you cherry pick out appropriate passages while ignoring the context. Once again, this does not relate one bit to any threat to God's omnipotence.

Here is the full passage in question:

1 Now the whole world had one language and a common speech. 2 As men moved eastward, [a] they found a plain in Shinar [b] and settled there. 3 They said to each other, "Come, let's make bricks and bake them thoroughly." They used brick instead of stone, and tar for mortar. 4 Then they said, "Come, let us build ourselves a city, with a tower that reaches to the heavens, so that we may make a name for ourselves and not be scattered over the face of the whole earth."
5 But the LORD came down to see the city and the tower that the men were building. 6 The LORD said, "If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them. 7 Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other."
8 So the LORD scattered them from there over all the earth, and they stopped building the city. 9 That is why it was called Babel [c] —because there the LORD confused the language of the whole world. From there the LORD scattered them over the face of the whole earth.

Now there are a few reasons why God decided to do what He did. First, let's look at the background of this story. The chapters before this one are all of the flood & the story of Noah. Let us not forget that it was humanity's sin that caused God to bring the flood upon humanity to "clean the slate", so to speak. The sins of men included many things, so let's just keep it at idol worship, arrogance, and the usual crap that humanity is known for.

It is important to note that this story comes directly after Noah's story. A united humanity, going to the east, wished to create grandiose cities and a tower. This one in particular is the Tower of Babel. It was not a monument to God, but a monument to men. It was a statement made by humanity that people were the masters of Earth, not God. It was a building that did little more then satisfy man's own arrogance. God did not like what He saw, so soon after the flood had decimated humanity, people were so eager to succumb to the habits and sins that had caused the flood in the first place.

Finally, this group of people were one who was united and centralised. They wished to only settle in this particular area. Unfortunately, that was not part of God's plan. God wanted humanity to be the caretakers of Earth. He wanted humanity to spread far and wide, with influence far above that of any other creature on the planet. With the knowledge of good and evil humanity was given, they also had a responsibility to use that knowledge in a way to benefit all. A centralised people with no desire to travel or explore new territories did not fit God's plan and humanity could not sufficiently meet it's duty & responsibility in this manner.

Thus, God confused the people and spread them all over the world, creating the diversity of language and culture among humanity. Once again, has nothing to do with omnipotence.

[motiv-8]

I see absolutely nothing quoted in the OP that even suggests a rebuttal to the theological position of an omniscient God.