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    Before I begin, this is just a little bit of fun, a joke for those who don't like the English.

    Anyway, this is just a thread about little jokes I have with my English friends and an Indian guy called Gagan, and we argue against English inventions, whereas they try to disprove them. There's more than this, but these are some of the biggies. Some are the obvious ones, some are things the English didn't really know they'd invented... or that they thought they had. Personally, I think the English have a massive superiority complex, but obviously that's being stereotypical. It's just that many are, and if you don't think so, fine.

    Anyway, remember guys, it's just a JOKE. I realise that there are good parts to England too . Sorry to be patronising, but the mood of the VV often means that some people just lose their sense of humour.

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    No. 1. The Jet Engine. Now I thought that the English actually HAD invented this - Frank Whittle, I thought. But no.

    Henri Coandă not only invented the modern jet engine, but built the first jet aircraft, the Coanda 1910.



    And for those of you who know their fluid mechanics, he discovered, or rather, gave a name to the Coanda effect - you know when you pour liquid slowly, it 'sticks' to the carton and runs down it? That's it. The jets of flame stuck to the side of plane even though the exhausts were pointed away a little. Obviosuly it had a problematic effect on a wooden plane

    René Lorin, in 1913 also made a similar engine, and if you want to be looser on a jet engine, then the 16th Cent. Ottomans and 12th Cent. Chinese used steam and gunpowder jets for similar effects.

    2. The Battle of Waterloo.

    Of course, as all the english know, the battle of waterloo was won heroically through the brilliance of wellingtonbalhblah I think not . As historians know, it was Napoleon's failure to exploit the hole in the line that he made, mainly by failing to send in his Imperial Guard, which would have certainly won. But it is certainly agreed that it was pretty pear shaped until Blucher arrived.

    It's clear even from this diagram that he managed to sandwich Napoleon. So for the english, it was a fluke, and they took all the credit afterwards of course!



    3. The seed drill.

    Not Jethro Tull, but the Sumerians used primitive tubes for the purpose in 1500 BC (call it BCE if you want, but you know it's the same thing with a diff. name). But the multi seed iron planter, almost identical in design and function to Tull's, was invented by the Chinese in about 1637.



    4. The structure of DNA

    Often lauded as a British discovery, the structure was discovered by Watson and Crick, Watosn being an American. Freiderich Meischer, a Swiss, actually isolated it in the first place as well.

    5. The Pencil

    Yeah, the English hit upon marking sheep with graphite, but the Italinas thought 'Hey, let's put it in a wooden holder.'

    6. The Radio

    Not English. They made the first signal, but why make one if you can't recieve it. Alexander Popov of Russia made the first reciever (and used it successfully), and Edison and Tesla of American and (well, he would have been born in Croatia if it had been independent at the time) Croatian fame.

    7. The Battle of Britain.

    No, the RAF wasn't amazing, it was nearly dead. But Hitler stopped Goering and made him start bombing London (I compress so much history into a sentence!), and the RAF recovered. So it's Hitler that won the BoB.

    8. Of course, we all know how seamlessly WW1 and the Battles at Loos, Somme, Paschendaele, etc. went. (I know that German losses at the Somee were actually massive, but that's not the point)

    9. Fish and Chips

    Chip = Potato sliced and fried in oil. Tradition of Belgians.
    Battered Fish. Some sources say Italian, others Jewish Immigrants.

    10. Afternoon tea and cakes.

    One of my fave 'non-english' things. Invented by the Portugese.

    11. Agincourt (and all cases of archery expertise)

    Elite longbowmen were copied from the Welsh. You may say that that's cos you're better, but if you're so good then how come you were so bad at putting down the Welsh rebellions?

    12. Saint George

    Also the patron saint of Aragon, Catalonia, Ethiopia, Georgia, Greece, Lithuania, Palestine, Portugal, and Russia, as well as the cities of Amersfoort, Beirut, Bteghrine, Cáceres (Spain), Ferrara, Freiburg, Genoa, Ljubljana, Gozo, Pomorie, Qormi, Lod, Barcelona and Moscow
    And he was from Bithnyia, under Diocletian (so we think :S)

    13. Football.

    Invented hundreds of years ago in the Far East. Only the modern rules were laid down by the FA.

    14. Blood transfusions

    Actually, Karl Landsteiner, an austrian, seperated blood types, and the Italians and French more or less simultaneously invented the idea of blood transfusions.

    15. Tarmac

    Invented by a Scot, John MacAdam, hence Tarmacadam - tarmac.

    16. Railways

    Actually, they DID invent the steam locomotive. BUT:

    - They did not invent the steam engine. That was Hero of Alexandria.
    - They did not invent railways. The Greeks did to pull ships across the isthmus of Corinth.
    - He was a Cornishmen, so he was as about as un-English as you can get whilst still being English

    17. Alfred the Great was an Anglo Saxon, who died long before the Enlgish even existed.

    18. The destruction of the spanish armada.

    Drake, supposed vanquisher of the Armada, was busy during the battle of gravelines looting a spanish gold ship, rather than fighting. He joined in later, but one ship wouldnt make a difference, especially if you've ever been to London and seen his ship the Golden Hind. It's patheitcally small. As we all know, even after the fireships, for all their naval shortcomings, the Spanish had only lost 2 ships. They were then destroyed by storms sailing around scotland.

    19. The Charge of the Light Brigade. Yeah, that's something to be proud of, isn't it?

    20. The Welsh, who the English may regard as country dwelling inferiors, invented:

    Radar
    Modern meteorology
    Aeroplane (personally I know it’s not true, but they had a patent for it anyway )
    Fuel cell
    X rays (failed to note discovery, so rontgen gets the credit)
    Deep space photography
    1st person to cross the atlantic in an airship

    The Scottish, amongst millions of other things:
    Pedal bike
    Canal designs of Thomas telford
    Chicken tikka masala
    Stamps,
    bank of England,
    Bovril,
    breech loading rifle,
    cholorofrm,
    fountain pen,
    finger printing

    The Irish:

    Electron
    Beaufort Scale
    Guided missiles
    Modern seismology
    Radiotherapy
    Kelvin scale





    As I said, it's not like I'm trying to prove anything. It's just a laugh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SonOfAlexander View Post
    Before I begin, this is just a little bit of fun, a joke for those who don't like the English.
    Oh, racism! How amusing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferrets54 View Post
    Oh, racism! How amusing.
    Oh come on, it's not nasty racism - I hate racists. Really, you have little idea. I have apicture of the BNP leader I throw darts at. Seriosuly.

    Look, this thread is not evil, it's just . That smilie explains the mood I made this thread in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SonOfAlexander View Post
    Oh come on, it's not nasty racism - I hate racists. Really, you have little idea. I have apicture of the BNP leader I throw darts at. Seriosuly.

    Look, this thread is not evil, it's just . That smilie explains the mood I made this thread in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rt. Hon. Gentleman View Post
    Remorse is not acceptable. The SAS will still get you. You wait.

    Oh, you should be quaking in your bed, SoA!
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    Kindly inform me of the date of the aforementioned kicking. I would like to take part in this with a kick of my own. I have a few other lads from various regiments also keen to partake

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    the SAS will find you, take you, and drown you in a vat of Earl Grey...

    Just kidding...
    ...or was I?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rt. Hon. Gentleman View Post
    the SAS will find you, take you, and drown you in a vat of Earl Grey...

    Just kidding...
    ...or was I?
    Founded by a Scot.

    BTW it was a Scottish guy who invented Radar as well and come on Chicken Tika Masala? What about our most famous achievements? The television (John Logie Baird) the telephone (alexander graham bell) and penicilan (Alexander Fleming)?

    And we have evidence that we invented modern day football rules way before the FA.

    We're awesome and smartz.

    And I think you seem to be forgetting that the British army isn't just composite of English people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danny_K_1 View Post
    Founded by a Scot.

    BTW it was a Scottish guy who invented Radar as well and come on Chicken Tika Masala? What about our most famous acheivments? The television (John Logie Baird) the telephone (alexander graham bell) and penicilan (Alexander Fleming)?

    And we have evidence that we invented modern day football rules way before the FA.

    We're awesome and smartz.

    And I think you seem to be forgetting that the British army isn't just composite of English people.


    Sorry, what were we discussing?

    Yeah mate, don't worry. I know full well that the UK military is mainly composed of Scots, Irish and Welsh. It's just a joke thread, hence the drowning in a vat of Earl Grey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rt. Hon. Gentleman View Post
    Yeah mate, don't worry. I know full well that the UK military is mainly composed of Scots, Irish and Welsh. It's just a joke thread, hence the drowning in a vat of Earl Grey.
    I wasn't talking about you lol.

    I ment that the OP refers to stuff like the somme as military failures by the English I was just pointing out that not just the English had a hand in it.

    And yep this is all just for a laugh. (Until someone starts taking it personal. )


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rt. Hon. Gentleman View Post
    the SAS will find you, take you, and drown you in a vat of Earl Grey...

    Just kidding...
    ...or was I?
    Well you can't use them since you didn't invent them. Stirling himself said the Jock Lewes an Australian deserves to be known as the founder of the SAS much more then Stirling himself.
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    the SAS Ross Kemp will find you, take you, and drown you in a vat of Earl Grey...

    Just kidding...
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    Pitiful propaganda...

    Now bow before the might of the superior Anglo-saxon race!!!!!
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    No, the RAF wasn't amazing, it was nearly dead. But Hitler stopped Goering and made him start bombing London (I compress so much history into a sentence!), and the RAF recovered. So it's Hitler that won the BoB.
    Umm no just no - the Germans lost, the 'Hitler's orders' thing gets old and used by far to often. In this case it makes no diffrence. The RAF was winning and always had the option to avoid fighting for a time, retrain bomber pilots or use additional resources. The UK was producing more pilots, more aircraft and better ones than Germany, and Germany had no real strategic bombing assets so it could never really do more than aggravate UK production at best.
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    SonofAlexander, no amount of smilies will disguise this post as anything other than mean-spirited prejudice. Also I would double-check a few of those statements, they don't really make much sense (when do the English begin then, if not in Alfred the Great's time?)

    Where are you from? Your name points to a couple of possible origins - let's have a light-hearted laugh.

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    2. The Battle of Waterloo.

    Of course, as all the english know, the battle of waterloo was won heroically through the brilliance of wellingtonbalhblah I think not . As historians know, it was Napoleon's failure to exploit the hole in the line that he made, mainly by failing to send in his Imperial Guard, which would have certainly won. But it is certainly agreed that it was pretty pear shaped until Blucher arrived.

    It's clear even from this diagram that he managed to sandwich Napoleon. So for the english, it was a fluke, and they took all the credit afterwards of course!
    Sadly it is true that there has been a general jingoistic belief that the British alone beat Napoleon at Waterloo. Ironically, Wellington's army actually had a German majority as well as a substantial Dutch-Belgian minority.

    Nevertheless, Wellington was a Great Commander, and his plan for Waterloo succeeded while Napoleon's plan failed utterly. Napoleon actually had already lost when he decided to fight on after the Prussians arrived. He gambled everything in order to keep to his time-table... and lost everything.

    Wellington winning battles certainly wasn't a fluke. I think his only clear failure was his attempt to capture Burgos in Spain without a siege train. Even battles he withdraw from (such as Bussaco and Talavera) were tactically successful.

    Of course, in keeping with the spirit of the thread, I must reveal that the Duke of Wellington was Irish! Also don't forget that the British army contain disproportionate numbers of Scots and Irish.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SonOfAlexander View Post

    2. The Battle of Waterloo.

    Of course, as all the english know, the battle of waterloo was won heroically through the brilliance of wellingtonbalhblah I think not . As historians know, it was Napoleon's failure to exploit the hole in the line that he made, mainly by failing to send in his Imperial Guard, which would have certainly won. But it is certainly agreed that it was pretty pear shaped until Blucher arrived.


    Just pointing out that Wellington was Irish born(of the Ascendancy)but still Irish born. A significant part of his line troops were Scots, Irish, and Welsh as well. I wouldn't use this one

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    For you guys who take this too seriosuly - Rt. Hon. Gentleman and 6th Vigil have the right idea. It's just a laugh. Anyway -

    BTW it was a Scottish guy who invented Radar as well and come on Chicken Tika Masala? What about our most famous achievements? The television (John Logie Baird) the telephone (alexander graham bell) and penicilan (Alexander Fleming)?

    And we have evidence that we invented modern day football rules way before the FA.

    We're awesome and smartz.

    And I think you seem to be forgetting that the British army isn't just composite of English people.
    The problem is that if you belive most relaible sources, then the Welsh, English, Scottish, Germans, Japanese and Americans invented it more or less simultaneosuly . But as the Scottish invented most stuff, I'll give you it . Though you didn't invent kilts, haggis, bagpipes or porridge, funnily enough!

    Chicken Tikka Masala is from Glasgow, not Birmingham. I was suprised to hear that it really isn't indian - it was invented when a curry vendor had run out of ingredients, thought 'what if I bung a bit of this in it?' and found out people liked it. Voila.

    Soz, but it's always the obvious ones like penicillin and the telephone that escape me whilst I look up the inventor of stamps

    Just pointing out that Wellington was Irish born(of the Ascendancy)but still Irish born. A significant part of his line troops were Scots, Irish, and Welsh as well. I wouldn't use this one
    I'll also have you know that even though he was born there, he never lived there or really even went there. He certainly hated 'being Irish', always claiming to be as far from it as he could - the internet's smattered in quotes.

    Also don't forget that the British army contain disproportionate numbers of Scots and Irish.
    Believe you me guys, I know. In fact , that's the whole point.

    British victories (except Trafalgar, which I will give you, although you let your great Nelson sow a big bright gold badge to himself and satnd on the upper deck where he was a prime sniper target ) were won, not by the generals, as I explain, BUT BY THE TROOPS. I have an immense respect for British troops right up until today, as they fight very hard for generals which do very well at f?@!ing things up for them, WW1 being the best example. So in fact I am lauding the troops case - haha Seriously though, the reason the Brits win is very rarely to do with their generals, who take all the credit, but because of theit brilliant troops. I really feel very strongly on that issue - even nowadays in Afghanistan.

    SonofAlexander, no amount of smilies will disguise this post as anything other than mean-spirited prejudice. Also I would double-check a few of those statements, they don't really make much sense (when do the English begin then, if not in Alfred the Great's time?)

    Where are you from? Your name points to a couple of possible origins - let's have a light-hearted laugh.
    If you want to know my real name (not that it makes any difference), it's James Brennan. SonofAlexander refers to the one and only Alexander (look at my profile pic and you'll get it ).
    And Alfred the Great, as I said was an Anglo Saxon. There was a little thing called Hastings, only the most important battle for England . The 'English' didn't exist till a little afterwards, a mix of French and German/Norse, which is v. apparent if you know about language groups/sub groups.

    Umm no just no - the Germans lost, the 'Hitler's orders' thing gets old and used by far to often. In this case it makes no diffrence. The RAF was winning and always had the option to avoid fighting for a time, retrain bomber pilots or use additional resources. The UK was producing more pilots, more aircraft and better ones than Germany, and Germany had no real strategic bombing assets so it could never really do more than aggravate UK production at best.
    Right, the truth get's old, does it?

    The fact is that Goering was winning. He had the RAF on it's knees. The men of the southern fighter groups were flying 3/4 sorties a day, with little sleep, no breaks and they were by now mostly trainees. If you know about the great escape, many of them were shot down in 1940, whereas only a few were shot down in say 43, or 44 - so many were shot down in that time. The RAF was very nearly dead. Within a week or two, the fighter squadrons would have been gone. No pilots, no fighters, no effective command structure, no bomber fleet (only a few old Belnheims and some Wellingtons - the great fleets of Mosquiotes and Lancasters didn't come till later in WW2).

    But then a Dornier on a lone mission to bomb an RAF airlfield decided to ditch it's bombs. Fine. Except it was over London. Some civilans died and the RAF alunched a small counter attack civilian raid. Hitler went ballistic as he so often did and ordered all resources to bomb London. Georing tried, but he couldn't talk him out of it. So the RAF recovered and 'the Blitz' began.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SonOfAlexander View Post
    The problem is that if you belive most relaible sources, then the Welsh, English, Scottish, Germans, Japanese and Americans invented it more or less simultaneosuly . But as the Scottish invented most stuff, I'll give you it . Though you didn't invent kilts, haggis, bagpipes or porridge, funnily enough!
    W00T! Yeah I know came to a shock to me as well.

    Quote Originally Posted by SonOfAlexander
    Chicken Tikka Masala is from Glasgow, not Birmingham. I was suprised to hear that it really isn't indian - it was invented when a curry vendor had run out of ingredients, thought 'what if I bung a bit of this in it?' and found out people liked it. Voila.
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    And Alfred the Great, as I said was an Anglo Saxon. There was a little thing called Hastings, only the most important battle for England . The 'English' didn't exist till a little afterwards, a mix of French and German/Norse, which is v. apparent if you know about language groups/sub groups.



    I have heard of a little thing called Hastings, and know something too of what you call "language groups/sub groups". And if you ever choose to read a little more deeply into these subjects you'll discover that the English from at least Alfred's era did refer to themselves as 'English' and were named as such by foreign sources. 'Anglo-Saxon' is a more modern scholarly term convenient for labelling timelines.
    I didn't ask for your name, but thank you. Your surname suggests that like me you have Irish ancestry, and I hope like me you would take exception to anyone divorcing modern Irish from their ancestors on the grounds of "language groups/sub groups".
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