Who was the better general??
Marcarthur or Caesar
Who was the better general??
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I think it was Caesar only because Macarthur had such a repitoire of historical tactics that Caesar did not and Caesar literally had to invent so many nuances and feints. Other than that minor detail they are incredibly similar.
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Macarthur never marched on Washington too...Originally Posted by Arch-hereticK
Though if he had of gotten his war with the Chinese who knows how it may have ended
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Lol, I think he would have if there was a Pompeii equivilent president in the US. But like I said there was a history that could be learned from.Macarthur never marched on Washington too...
Though if he had of gotten his war with the Chinese who knows how it may have ended
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Macarthur had to deal with new technology as well. Caesar was the nephew of Marius as well as the fact that there were many ancient war manuals that he probably perused. I mean Caesar did grow up surrounded by war and geniuses of war.
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MacArthur sucked. He caused the worst defeat in US history.
The only comparison with Caesar is in their egos.
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lol and what exact defeat was that???
MacArthur was a great general. Just look at the casualty figures, the boldness, the success, the envelopements. MacArthur is clearly the pick of American generals throughout her history.
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Battle of Bataan. Look it up.
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Lol, actually Battle of Bataan reminds me Battle of Dyrrhachium, where Caesar nearly lead his men to destruction due to besiege in a small area (in fact, Caesar mentions his men had to eat weed when the food supply was very low).
Oh come on. Macarthur was in an ordinary position. He cannot be held responsible for the fact that his fleet and his air support were mostly gone in the first few days by dubious Japanese strategy.
All the pre-war planning had been based on the existence fo the Pacific fleet which was destroyed through no fault of MacArthurs.
If anything, he held on for far longer than could be expected and he delayed the Japanese giving vital time for the allies to recover.
And he was also responsible for a few of America's greatest victories as well.
Telling a commander not to invade the north for political reasons is not micro-managing the war... Truman was clearly out of his class when dealing with a man like MacArthur unlike Roosevelt.
It is not ignored, but the Phillipines was hopeless situation through no fault of MacArthurs.
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Last edited by TheFirstONeill; September 10, 2009 at 01:20 PM. Reason: quad post
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Amazing the way MacArthur got such a rep and the Philippines is just ignored...MacArthur sucked. He caused the worst defeat in US history.
The only comparison with Caesar is in their egos.
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Totally screwing up the defense of the Philippines, resulting in a pell-mell retreat to Bataan, where his residual force lacked medicine, food, supplies etc.MacArthur was a great general. Just look at the casualty figures, the boldness, the success, the envelopements. MacArthur is clearly the pick of American generals throughout her history.
In fact rather like allowing allowing his forces in Korea to become isolated disorganized and all ready to be hammered by China, as a result of his own arrogance.
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Fixed.
Truman also cheerfully allowed MacArthur to "march north" - funny enough, that decision killed Democractic Party for owning presidency for next ten years.
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Truman can't win it this situation: if he starts second guessing his Commander from DC every would say he was micro-managing (especially since if the advance is halted and China does not enter the war, how can he get credit for avoiding something his own commander blew off in the first place...), and if he trusts his commander he gets the actual events - just consider how much heat he took when he actually removed Mac.Fixed.
Truman also cheerfully allowed MacArthur to "march north" - funny enough, that decision killed Democractic Party for owning presidency for next ten years.
I rather feel MacArthur deserves the lion share of blame since the event is to my mind rather similar to his vastly over optimistic, and detached decison making that screwed up the Philippines.
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No, in fact, Joint Chiefs of Stuff was on Truman's side and favor non-march to north, so it was really Truman's own intention to allow MacArthur "marched north".
Similarly, the lost in North Korea could not completely blaimed on MacArthur alone; in fact, his intellegient stuff was purposely hidding and blocking any information regarding Chinese movement in north, hence the intellegence MacArthur had was filtered, all favor no Chinese would march to Korea. Not surprise, MacArthur (or any commander) would favor to march to north when he had intellegience strongly suggest Chinese would not come.
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this is too tough to compare, different era, different technology, different enemies...
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Caesar. Without hesitation.
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Mcarthur, the guy who asked to throw nuclear bombs in China?
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MacArthur: I need nukes to nuke China!!!
Truman: General, you have been dismissed.
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That's why he wins.
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