Nazi's view on Muslims?

[uzi716]

I was wondering what Nazi Germany's view on Muslims was, like if they won in North Africa how would they probably treat the Muslim population?

Thanks

[ShADoW]

Use them as soldiers, but I don't know what they'd have done with them after as they wouldn't have fit into his Aryan Race.

[hellheaven1987]

I remember Hitler once pronounced that Iraqi was part of Aryan race...

God knows, Hitler was a "flexible" politician when dealing Aryan race - pretty much everyone could join his Aryan group if he allowed.

[ShADoW]

Thats quite funny lol

[hellheaven1987]

Thats quite funny lol

Well, his purpose was to stage an Iraqi revolt in Iraq, which did happen but crashed by British.

Judge from that, I have no doubt Hitler would produce every reason to accept anyone into "Aryan race"; too bad Nationalist China did not join Axis, if so Hitler would probably justify his alliance by pull out some research stating one branch of Chinese ancestors was Aryan thous Chinese belonged to Aryan race too.

[ShADoW]

I always thought he'd lie to them by saying you'd be part of the Aryan race and after done using them, off to the camps like the rest.

[Carpathian Wolf]

Hitler had been much impressed by a scrap of history he had learned from a delegation of distinguished Arabs. When the Mohammedans attempted to penetrate beyond France into Central Europe during the eighth century, his visitors had told him, they had been driven back at the Battle of Tours. Had the Arabs won this battle, the world would be Mohammedan today. For theirs was a religion that believed in spreading the faith by the sword and subjugating all nations to that faith. Such a creed was perfectly suited to the Germanic temperament. Hitler said that the conquering Arabs, because of their racial inferiority, would in the long run have been unable to contend with the harsher climate and conditions of the country. They could not have kept down the more vigorous natives, so that ultimately not Arabs but Islamized Germans could have stood at the head of this Mohammedan Empire. Hitler usually concluded this historical speculation by remarking, “You see, it’s been our misfortune to have the wrong religion. Why didn’t we have the religion of the Japanese, who regard sacrifice for the Fatherland as the highest good? The Mohammedan religion too would have been much more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?”

[removeduser_052420]

@ Carparthian Wolf
Now THAT is one badass quote!

[Primvs Sextvs Loverlord]

@ Carparthian Wolf
Now THAT is one badass quote!

It's also untrue fortunately/unfortunately.

Hitler has the support of the Arabs because Hitler's enemy, the British, had back-stabbed the Arabs and did not give them the freedom that they were promised after they helped the British against the Turks in WW-I with the Arab Revolt. The French, another German enemy, was also occupying Lebanon and Syria. "My enemy's enemy is my friend".

As for South Asia (India/Pakistan), Congress (Hindu party) started a non-cooperation movement because they were convinced the Japanese would invade India. However, the Muslim League sided with the British and against the Axis during WW-II.

So how Hitler viewed "Muslims" depended on their political loyalties.

[The Noble Lord]

Hitler and the Nazis were indifferent to Islam as a religion and to the Muslims as a religious community. They just wanted to make a good use of Muslim - Jewish differences in Palestine and they thought that they can make Bosnian Muslims to fight for them by harnessing the power of religion where Himmler thought that these Muslims would give their lives willingly for the Nazi cause. It did not materialize, 13-SS Handjar Division was a sham and it was disbanded very soon after it got formed, it saw some action in Northern Bosnia and Eastern Croatia but it was only against Serbian civilians and not on the steppes of Russia battling the Bolshevik hordes as Himmler had envisioned!

[Babur]

It's also untrue fortunately/unfortunately.

Hitler has the support of the Arabs because Hitler's enemy, the British, had back-stabbed the Arabs and did not give them the freedom that they were promised after they helped the British against the Turks in WW-I with the Arab Revolt. The French, another German enemy, was also occupying Lebanon and Syria. "My enemy's enemy is my friend".

As for South Asia (India/Pakistan), Congress (Hindu party) started a non-cooperation movement because they were convinced the Japanese would invade India. However, the Muslim League sided with the British and against the Axis during WW-II.

So how Hitler viewed "Muslims" depended on their political loyalties.

well Arabs were still Semitic in the end,so had Hitler won WW2, I am sure they would have also been off to the camps like the rest

[MehemtAli_Pasha]

@ Carparthian Wolf
Now THAT is one badass quote!

yeah, he's good at copy pasting.

any way..i think both Arabs and Hitler used the ideology of "my enemy's enemy is my friend"

i know for one thing, King Farouk of Egypt really wanted the Germans to "free" Egypt from the Brits, as he thought Germans would be more merciful. don't know about the rest, but they most likely wanted the same things.

[RomanSoldier9001]

Saw them as potencial allies and help the arabs revolts agaisnt the British Empire.In fact muslims worked a lot with nazis. They had their own divisions in Waffen SS and even the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem was their friend the Grand Mufti was well know anti semtic and some say he was the founder of anti semitism in arab nations.Concidence he was the uncle of Yasser Arafat.
The aryan theory that nazis saw only germanic as superior is some how complex 57% of Waffen SS was composed of non germanic.Croatians,Estonians,Lithunians,Latvians,Finns,Romanians,Italians all fough for Axis on side of Germany and many times had their divisions in Waffen SS.
In fact croatians and romanians were even consider many times more anti semitic than germans. See Ustasa and Iron Guard.
But back to the topic "Eastern Muslims" also fougth in Waffen SS Tartars,Chechens,Azeris,Indians and various caucasian ,turkish,asiatic,european peoples.
So botow line I can think they pretty much saw them as friends and even as equals.
http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_man...rand_mufti.php

Chechens

Bosnians

Indian Soldier in Legion Freies Indien. Tartar Soldier.

[CtrlAltDe1337]

Basically, in Hitler's mind, everyone who was an enemy of his enemy and/or hated Jews was Aryan.

[ivan_the_terrible]

A small nitpick: Chechens are Caucasian, not Turkic. But mostly Muslims too.

[6644kp]

Yeah Hitler liked Muslims, espacially the Muslim military tradition.

He wanted the Muslims to win the Battle of Tours!

[Aru]

Bosnian Muslims were considered Muslim Croatians by the Nazis (and certain number of Bosniaks themselves), or as "Gothic" as Croats, only of different religion.
I think the question is more about Semitic Muslims.

Btw. really, what's up with all 'race questions' lately? Looks like someone's forming a political party and deciding how much Nazi it should be, and who can become member.

[RomanSoldier9001]

Bosnian Muslims were considered Muslim Croatians by the Nazis (and certain number of Bosniaks themselves), or as "Gothic" as Croats, only of different religion.
I think the question is more about Semitic Muslims.

Btw. really, what's up with all 'race questions' lately? Looks like someone's forming a political party and deciding how much Nazi it should be, and who can become member.

Man. Can not a person ask anything related to National Socialism withoud being consider a nazi? What is this Germany? The guy just asked because he was probaly curious.Can a person learned about the topic withoud be called a nazi?

[Aru]

Man. Can not a person ask anything related to National Socialism withoud being consider a nazi? What is this Germany? The guy just asked because he was probaly curious.Can a person learned about the topic withoud be called a nazi?

I don't mind the question, but interesting fact that a lot of these threads sprang up in last week or two.

Ok, then perhaps some movie about Hitler was on TV. Or first thread started an avalanche. It's just... queer! (in old non homosexual sense).

[Dr. Croccer]

It's hard to tell. Hitler, as said, was very flexible in his race policies, i.e. hypocritical. Most of the Muslims that joined under the Wehrmacht and SS were Slavs from the Balcans, Turkic peoples from the Russian steppes and a handful of Semitic Arabs, races Hitler usually considered scum of the Earth. The reality was that Hitler was an oppertunist. Muslims were just one of the people who beef with the USSR, Tito and the Jews. He happily recruited Cossacks, Lithuanians, Croatians and other groups as well, even though these were racially no different from the Poles or Russians.